Sarah Sherman

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[01:35] the original new special Sarah squirm live and in the flesh on HBO. So listen for Sarah, but, but before we start, right, we always like to talk to somebody who knows our guest, who, who has spent time with them and who can speak well and give us a question. And we're going to talk today to Mitra Juhari. Mitra is an amazing actress, writer, producer. You may know her from [02:05] on... [02:06] Big mouth. And she's just incredible talent. Came up with Sarah, her good friend. We're going to check in with Mitra, who is on her lunch break and get a question from her. So, hi, Mitra. It's good to see you. [02:26] This episode of Good Hang is presented by Paul Moliv. Family time isn't just the big moments. It's weeknight dinners, sitting around the table, everyone talking at once. So when the plates are empty and the sink is full... [02:40] use Palmolive Ultra. Palmolive's most powerful formula removes up to 99.9% of grease, leaving your dishes sparkling clean. And the new convenient pump makes cleaning even easier. So you can spend less time tackling dirty dishes and more time together. Shop now at palmolive.com.

[03:10] - Let me try. [03:11] she's on the set mitra is on the set mitra where are we talking to you from netflix a lot of people don't know netflix has beautiful offices really really they give you a free hanger [03:31] So. You can hang anything on that. You can hang anything on that as long as it's not pants, because the hanger is broken. I hear giggles in the back. I'm in there. On top of Mitra being incredibly talented, she's also like a real deal activist, boots on the ground person. And I was thinking about during COVID when you when you zoomed with my sons to talk to them about [04:01] unhoused situation and what they can do about it. It was... [04:05] They were so cute and sweet. I loved talking to them. They were so thoughtful and had such good questions and were really making me laugh. Remember that when we were all just like... [04:19] in that COVID bubble of just like, I guess we, I guess we'll, this is how we'll learn now. I was living with Patty and we were making some of the most fucked up cocktails imaginable, like actively drinking them being like, this is disgusting. And finishing them. [04:38] Patty Harrison, another hilarious comedian and actor. Okay. We've got Sarah coming in today.

[04:45] That's why I'm sad. Another reason why I'm sad I'm not there. I want to be seeing her. I have so many questions for Sarah. Did you watch her special? Yes. I have questions for her too. Her nasty ass. Her nasty ass special. You have known Sarah for a very long time. When did you two first meet? 2015. And our mutual friend, Drennan, who knew her from Chicago, she was coming out to New York [05:15] And he was like, there's this freak coming named Sarah Sherman. And I think you guys would really like each other. And then we like hit it off immediately. And we went on a tour with this great comedian writer named Jamie Loftus called the Sarah Meadron Jamie are Ugly Tour. [05:34] And just like she eventually wrote and appeared butt naked on Deborah. [05:45] and produced and you were the star of, along with other Debras. Sandy and Alyssa. That's right. And Sarah was a writer on there, which is where I first heard her. And I was introduced to her as Sarah Squirm, which is the name she was going by at the time, which I remember thinking at the time it was unusual that a comic actor had like what felt like almost like a rock star name. Yes. Which, and it makes so much sense because like she came up in these great music venues and like,

[06:15] Every time I would come to Chicago and do shows with her at the hideout, it was always like with these really interesting bands that I would like I've never heard of, would never have heard of. And she's like such a true fan of like live music and worked in radio and like just brings all of that. So it makes sense to me that this like person who's working in these DIY spaces, both like in music and stand up and art, would have this sort of like rocker character persona. Totally. [06:45] that person start when does that person come out because you know Sarah really well and I've gotten to know her from getting to work with her and her persona and her personality are like alike but also very different yeah she's like I feel like it makes so much sense that she landed in Chicago because she does have this like warmth and like I don't know familiarity with people that feels [07:15] cozy. People feel very comfortable with her, which you wouldn't expect from someone whose material is kind of exclusively about her flapping labia. [07:26] Exactly. For people that are learning about Sarah here, her stuff on SNL is in the structure of SNL, but Sarah's material is super scatological. She calls it body horror. It's a ton of dysmorphia

[07:45] And I want to ask her, like the cutaways to her audience during the special. I'm like, who is this audience? I have the same exact audience. So many men, so many men laughing and being like ritually humiliated. And at the same time, it's amazing. Perverts. [08:05] God, my favorite word, my favorite word. Would you think Sarah is your first pervert guest? Oh, absolutely not. [08:15] pervert um i don't like a creep there's a difference big time and it's a fine line i mean you know and it's very it happens don't get me wrong i'm not saying but it rarely are women creeps but they can definitely be perverts but if you're a perverted man you have a high creep susceptibility obviously you got to be really careful you got to be really but a fun pervert i mean they kind of feel almost you know this is another thing that i want to talk [08:45] way she [08:47] is a fun pervert and then turns on her audience and yells at them for liking it. It's so real. Well, cause it's like, it's such a relief to have someone obviously in such a heightened way, but like talk about all these, all these things that like, I also am like horrified by in my own body or I'm like, why does it do that? Why is there hair there? What is that substance?

[09:17] like such a nasty like it is so heightened but it's also like how I feel looking at like these parts of me and she it like she she really brings it to life in a way that is like actually very inviting I feel where it's like I'm disgusting aren't you disgusting we're all disgusting no you're the disgusting one perfect way to sum it up in watching her stuff I'm like [09:42] On the surface level, it's kind of like... [09:45] grotesque, almost performance art stuff. But then underneath it is like this idea of claiming the [09:53] The... [09:54] Stuff that gets thrown at us all the time anyway, just kind of claiming it and like doubling down on it. Yes. The horrors of being a woman and having a body. So I always ask people to give my guest a question. What do you think Sarah would want to talk about? Answer, small or big, any story you want to prompt her to tell or anything you don't know about her yet? OK, I wrote down a few. Oh, you're such a writer. [10:21] I really overthought it. [10:24] why don't we get the room in here and let's just keep pitching yeah i got together about 30 000 of my favorite writers to put together a few questions for sarah okay um [10:37] I wanted to force her to talk about her, uh, [10:43] child musical theater career because she was really, um, she has so many stories about like liberties she took with the characters. Amazing. Thank you. That's great.

[10:58] Um, [11:00] Okay. I had two like bigger questions. Um, if you had a zillion dollars to make any disgusting practical creation, what would it be? Whoa, great question. We might have to ask all these questions. These are good. And then what is your biggest bomb and what's your favorite show that you've done? Uh, so it's like a, you know, best and worst. Cause I feel like Sarah's had some like really high highs and some really low lows. So I think either of those I would be really excited [11:30] you stand on the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. You know, if you're on, you know, if you're like hitting a wall conversationally. Okay, perfect. I can't wait to ask her these questions. Really good questions, Mitra. Thanks for talking to us on your lunch break. I loved every second. Okay, bye. Thanks, Mitra. Thanks so much. [11:51] Bye, honey. [12:03] Oof. Enjoy your freshly cleaned and completely destroyed earbuds. Yeah, checking first is a good plan. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary. Subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates. Northbrook, Illinois. [12:25] And this is the food hall. I should have brought a little food for the wall. It's okay. You don't need to bring it.

[12:33] I didn't want people to feel like they needed a drink. I could have contributed to this. Like, crazy. I can only imagine what you would have contributed to this. So amazing. I actually, before we start, I wore these on behalf of you. Because I feel like you would like them. I wore a cheeseburger sneaker. Those should be on the food wall. All right, we'll put one on the wall. What is it? It's a cheeseburger sneaker from... It's Dolls Kill. It's Dolls Kill. [13:03] And I feel like I'm not going to lift my foot up because I don't want any perverts. [13:09] Screenshots would sell for a lot of money. Yep. And I'm wearing ice cream. I'm wearing ice cream. Okay. Okay. I feel good now. Okay. I'm not stressed. I was stressed that I didn't bring food, but I came as food. You came as food. I came as food. Sarah Sherman is here. Do you feel weird now that you're wearing one shoe? [13:28] That's such a good question. Let me think. Let me take that in. Yeah, I'm going to take the other shoe off. But now perverts are going to know that I'm barefoot the whole time. Can you see the feet? No, God, I would never let anyone see my feet. Have you seen? For free? No. Honey, for free? Who do I look like? Take me out to dinner first. Hello? [13:48] Take me out to a plastic dinner first. [13:51] Have you seen your wicky feet? Yeah. And what are we talking? I'm happy about it. Okay. All right. You know, I feel like with body parts, no one knows this more than you. Like you have to, some you make peace with, some you feel neutral about, some you have big thoughts about.

[14:07] I like my feet. How about you? I got anxious recently. Well, as you know, on the show, we have to wear many different shoes, many different hats, many different shoes, many different ways. I'm always put in sort of, I think everyone's doing a practical joke on me by putting me in these big heels. To the point where one of the writers, Asha Ward, shout out. Asha. Asha. She puts like in the stage direction, like Sarah exits like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Because that's my heel shuffle. Like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. [14:37] because I can't walk on a heel. I'm always clacking around. And so something happened to my feet where I think one of my toes, I have no... [14:47] medical basis for this. I did not go to a doctor. I did not look this up. I think that one of my toes is like... [14:55] It's a toe. I love that we're talking about body stuff right away. I love it. You asked for it. I know I did. I asked for it. I don't know. I should look this up. In my head, one of my toes is just the bones are loose, but inside of the toe sack. Well, I have a whole thing about, you know, like your feet. Oh, my God. You have a whole thing. But your feet. Now we're really giving it for the pervs who love feet. But your feet health are very important. Like now because I'm getting to the age where I'm starting to read like. Barely 21. [15:25] age of barely 21. Barely 21. Always. That what do you, what needs to stay healthy for you to like survive the next. And feet is a big one. Like meaning you got to be able to take, take care of your feet, have good balance.

[15:40] Do you have good balance? Can you balance on one leg? [15:44] I'm saying this like so cockily. I feel like, yeah. Yeah, right on. You did it. And I don't have, I'm going to say something, again, this is more feet thing. I have a huge arch. That's very, so do I. It's crazy. And it's good to have it. Okay. Because not only does it make your feet look nice, when you want to eventually sell your feet pics, which we're all going to be there. Well, I have tried, actually, and I have failed. [16:09] Okay, we're going to get into that. Sarah Sherman is here. [16:14] SNL, current SNL cast member on the show. I wonder if I have all the scoop. Do I have all the scoop? Well, you're a vet. [16:23] Like, how many years have you been on the show? Five. Five. But you just wrapped SNL. You have a comedy special out. It's incredible. I cannot wait to talk about it. It's insane. It's quite insane. It's quite insane. Right now, you were in that, like, school's out summertime. You just finished your last show last week. How are you feeling? [16:44] level where you're at. I feel like I had so, when you hosted this season. That was in the very beginning, right? And not to suck your butt, but everybody goes, who's your favorite host? I go, everyone goes, Amy Poehler. Like, immediately. That's such a bad stuff. And I had a lot of questions for you. I was like, what? I don't know. I was like, every, it's so funny. [17:03] as a cast member, uh, [17:05] you have such an experience. And then when you're a host, you have the experience, which is like, you just wish you could immediately do it again. Yes. Immediately. And the, I was just saying to someone, my favorite times are always the in-between times. Interesting. I love the, like the joking around between scenes. I like the, like the beginning of the week, like the show is like the event, but I tend to remember and like the like weird middle times. And I have such a

[17:35] of me you and bowen i know sitting on a couch and really like getting to know you in a way that i don't think i had in a fast amount of time yes laughing non-stop i know and a lot of giggles a lot of giggling laughing thank you for saying that okay so i was your favorite host great i appreciate that my favorite like i wish people saw [17:57] the table read. Like that is when I am laughing. I'm like, and that was my favorite part of your week because, okay, I'm going to, the butt sucking is going to commence. I'm usually doing that. Okay, good. Well, this is going to be a good hang with Sarah. I'm going to try to receive. I, you like, obviously you're good at SNL, like obviously, but seeing, you know, how many sketches [18:27] new character voices for every sketch out of the 40. And it's like, how many of those were cold reads? And you were just like, like the doll with the eye. Oh yeah. That was a good sketch. Seth wrote that laughing. He submitted a sketch for us and we didn't do it. I try to watch so that I can organically laugh if I'm not in a sketch. I try not to read those sketches ahead of time. Oh, interesting. Okay. So I watched the whole table read like, well, that's very generous of you because you're actually providing an audience, which people don't usually do. Like they, you

[18:57] those read-throughs and everyone's tired and everyone's like waiting for their stuff to get on and so the fact that you could even do that means that you're like trying to actually stay present like you're a generous person and well i think it's also a fucking butt right back i'll take it we'll human centipede ourselves all the way i mean [19:16] Come on. That's a good trilogy. There's three. I cannot believe that movie was made. [19:23] The movies. There's three. I know, there's three. There are three. Okay. And do you need me to talk about the differences between them? And for some reason, because I am so aghast at that movie, I get it constantly on my TikTok. Uh-huh. [19:34] Is it having a resurgence? Yeah. There's like a lot of clips about, or like I just keep watching because I'm horrified by it. Okay. Sorry. I digress. You are making it happen. I'm going to use your podcast platform to do something. Tom six. No. If you are doing a human centipede. No, do not. Hello. We do not need a human centipede for it. No. I'll do it. I will show. She won't. She will not. I will not allow her. Absolutely not. I'll do it. Black and white. Full color. No. [20:04] We don't need it. Not now. Some of the best, most important cinema that's been made. It's fucking disgusting. And Tom, you are a freak. Okay, but you're on your summer break. So you're like, what do you do for your summer? [20:18] What are you doing? I'm experimenting with something this summer. I don't understand how anyone... [20:24] can do anything while SNL is happening. Right. I feel like, were you doing this? No. Were you...

[20:29] I was all consuming. When Ivan said to you, because you did work birth... [20:34] And it was about you being the sketch when you host me about you being pregnant, giving birth to work. And I was like, OK, so this actually was your life. [20:41] Yeah. The fact that you were pregnant there, I can't even work there. Like if my contact is too dry. I don't know what your life is. And if you ever want to carry a child, but pregnancy is wild and funny and fun because you are completely different body and you love body stuff and you're, you scare a lot of people by walking around. And it scares me. Yeah. It's scary. And I'm like, what do you mean? They're moving my organs around inside of me. They have to stay where they are. So sci-fi that there's a body inside of you. [21:11] You're never alone. I can't even imagine, like, my body can't even take being at the job regular. Not that pregnant isn't regular. New normal. New normal. Hey, I respect it. Watch it. But, like, if I have, like, a bad burrito and I'm, like, bloated, I'm like, I can't write. Well, this is what I mean is, like, the idea of, like, everyone knowing when someone has a stomach ache, that's new. That's new. [21:37] That is new. That's new. You know what I don't like? And I'll say it. I'll stand on my two feet, buckle my shoe, and say I don't like it. It's like hot girls with IBS. It's like I'm not proud of the diarrhea that I have every single day chronically. And we're about seven minutes in. We got to diarrhea. I was hoping we would. Well, it's in the morning. [21:56] I just think that, like, more and more – [21:58] There's an acceptance that everyone has a different way to work within the system. And I would say that

[22:08] You being on the show is also, I think, another example of like how the show has smartly remembered that it is a variety show with a million different voices and different styles. And so. [22:20] There just was, I think, a little bit more. It was just like a more homogenous. Same way to do it. Same people writing it. Same people on it. And it just keeps changing. I actually think about this a lot because I'm like, this is not even to say it self-deprecatingly. Said that with an accent. [22:35] I don't think I would have gotten on the show. [22:40] during your era no because yeah no that's not controversial but i'm would have i would like to be a more talented sketch performer okay i find myself to be quite limited oh okay do you know what i'm saying well okay let's i'm thinking my lucky stars i was not born i you know i was born when i was born okay sarah sherman let's go back no we're going back we're going back to long island [23:10] years. I'm 18 now. Just turn. Okay. So you're in Long Island as a little, as a little, as a little, your mom is a public school teacher. Yeah. So was mine. And, um, your dad runs a children's clothing company. Fascinating. I mean, like, [23:32] Of course you love clothes. Of course you dress. I know, but I'm like addicted. Okay. It is his fault. Yeah. So he's, so he has like a, he's like a garmento. Yeah. He is like old school Jewish schmata business. So it's like everyone saw Uncut Gems was like the diamond district in Manhattan. It's all those Jewish guys running around two blocks over is the garment district and schmata is Yiddish for rags. So it's like all the same kind of Jewish guys running around with clothes.

[24:02] - Okay. [24:02] complicated, interesting characters. Well, I saw Uncut Gems and I go, huh, that's about my dad. Just the vibe. Right. So I stalked the writer and I was like, you wrote a movie about my dad. And he goes, well, this is actually quite interesting because I'm from your neighborhood. I went to a high school near your high school and my dad is in Shmata. So yeah, I did. Whoa. I know. Long Island. Okay. What is fifth grade Sarah? [24:32] I was like, because I was like the clothes thing. Like my dad was in schmats. I grew up around clothes. So like I was addicted to the nanny. Yeah. Golden girls. And like my big thing. Um, when in middle school, when I started doing middle school plays, Miss Orange, who ran the costume department would let me kind of raid the costume. [24:55] the costume closet. Okay. This makes sense. And you were into that. Okay. We, we, um, we, we, we always speak to people who know our guests really well. We get a question from them and we talk to Mitra. So Mitra gave us, she's the best. And she gave us a couple really good questions. So throughout this interview, I'm going to pepper them in because of course, Mitra, good girl, giving us so many good questions. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure the list is long. And this [25:25] Yeah. [25:26] Um, [25:27] You did a lot of musical theater as a kid. I did. And you took liberty with some parts. I did. And, Mitra, you know what you have done.

[25:38] Mitra knows what she has done. She's helping out her friend. I just... [25:42] I, let me explain myself. I'm going to defend myself here. I always wanted to be a comedian. Like, grew up watching it. Why do you think? Funny family? Funny family. Okay, yeah. Really funny family. Funny dad. Funny, like, you know, love expression was like mean, bullying, funny. Yes, got it. Was addicted to, like, Seinfeld, SNL. Brothers and sisters. Younger brother, also funny. But I was kind of like a bully. [26:12] was funny. [26:15] That's when buildings were funny. I know, right. And I had a big science [26:20] room skeleton in my room my parents were always like why'd you end up like this normal and i'm like you got me a giant science room skeleton when i was like you know my brother was like three on april i loved april fool's day because that also felt like the comedian's day to shine it's like clowns christmas he was like three and i put this giant life-size science room skeleton in his bed [26:50] was on april fool's day whoa what was the theme did you have an april fool's it was yeah and the invitation was snakes in a can that i hand delivered to everyone's house you learn so much about people when they talk about their bar you really do like ike barrow was in here and his was like i like ike like he was running he was like he was like running for you know president or whatever you learn so much about what what their hopes and dreams are okay

[27:20] and like you know you're on in a bat mitzvah you're like on the the bima the stage at the synagogue and i had a rapt audience of like 80 year old old bald jewish guys i was going off that was my first like i crushed at my mom oh my god do you remember any of your material of course it's like because it was my first you know i was i've been what is it chasing the dragon or whatever [27:50] And it's like the service is like eight hours intense Hebrew. I didn't know a word I was saying. And they go like, and now the sisterhood of the temple would like to present you with your gift. And like these two conservative women came up with candlesticks. I go, great. Just what I always wanted. [28:11] And my mom was in the front going. And then not to brag, it was kind of the talk of the tongue for like a second. I bet. [28:20] Everyone was like, oh, I'm kidding. [28:23] Great. I'm always like, turning to a camera that's not there. [28:32] Okay, so what liberties did you take as a musical theater kid? How did you interpret the parts? You're so evil. Is this a non-PC story? So I just wanted to be a comedian. I wanted to be a performer. So it's like I would do any play. Like I would do, like, I couldn't sing or dance,

[28:50] do the musicals because I just wanted to do it. And I could never get a part because it wasn't good. But I was like in with the costume closet. Miss Orange would let me. Like that's, I got addicted to like 80s little like sequin jackets because like, [29:03] grandma yet on the nanny would wear them. And that's she, and it was orange. Let me keep the jackets. I know the one that looked exactly like grandma yet a sequin jacket. And so she let me kind of, I didn't have a part. I was in the chorus and into the woods. Oh yeah. Which was behind a screen. You were in the woods. I was in the woods in silhouette. Sure. So I was just basically a little outline. Yeah. But I was in the costume closet. I found a red and black shirt. [29:32] lace gown with a firm hand muff oh yeah and i went to the director and i said so this is my costume i am my character is the russian czarina and so i'm just i didn't really think i even knew what that was i didn't have any words i didn't have an accent nothing and so in the playbill it would be like all the leads listed yeah and then like the chorus yes a whole list of all the faceless people [30:02] that's incredible you created your own disorder but it's such a cop i mean that is the thing about you sarah is and like we'll get to it with snl but like there is an innate confidence about you that and i say that because i i want you to know to me that's like the what distinguishes people on snl right away sure whether the content doesn't matter it's like are we worried about you when we're

[30:32] you anytime you're ever performing like and it's not like cocky like because you're super self deprecating all the time you're very honest you're very like your your feelings are right up front and center but there is a confidence that I feel like you just were born with this idea of like [30:48] grabbing things and wanting them i think i am so used to bombing you know it sounds like i crushed my first time at bat i'm so it's like everything that has all every bad thing could that could happen to me on stage has already happened kind of thing so it's like i don't even know if it's like confidence it's like i'm gonna fucking crush this shit right now it's like what what more could happen i bombed at madison square garden what more could happen but ambivalence is confidence too [31:18] It's like this idea of like, I'm just going to float a little bit, a little dissociation to you, but like, I'm going to float above this moment so that you're going to have to come find me. I'm not going to like, be like, like me, like me, like me. Right. That's the difference. But you went to Northwestern and Oh, this is what I find so interesting when you talk about like, I want to have more experience in sketch and improv. You. [31:39] try out for like the sketch group don't get in yeah which was like I was is devastating that's devastating and I had tried stand-up like I dabbled a little bit when I was like 16 like I like going to doing an open mic at like a barbecue restaurant because you know I couldn't do a bar yet like I dabbled a little but that was my first big like

[32:02] You know, all I wanted to do is be a comedian. And when someone was like, my peers were like, no, I was like, are you kidding me? Yeah. And so I'm full of I could be motivated by spite. But then you start a comedy show in Chicago called Hell Trap Nightmare. Yeah. [32:16] How would you describe that show? [32:19] Um... [32:20] Like the first to... I like that you rolled your eyes. How could I even begin to... [32:28] So this is the first show. Yeah. This is my friend's basement. We were, of course, it was Chicago has like an amazing DIY electronic noise, crazy performance art comedy scene. And like, you know, there was like comedy at like, there's all this improv in Chicago and whatever. But it's like the funniest people to me were these like freaks. Yeah. So like my friend Mike Sugarman was performing as under this noise moniker, Shug. [32:58] The first Helltrap nightmare was in my friend's basement. The poster was like a woman's face was see-through and you could see her teeth and brains. Sure. Because I was like, you know, that's the trigger warning. Yeah. Yeah. [33:08] And, you know, I hosted, I did like 10 bad minutes of standup. And then my friend Suge came out in a trench coat, in a wig, sunglasses, flashed everyone. And he had chorizo tape to his dick and was, you know, smashing light bulbs. But that was music, of course. Yeah. And I think I did a, I don't even know what the, these bits were like, it was like a stretch to call it comedy.

[33:38] right yeah but with but with like the intent was to be funny but yeah when i chugged a can of room temperature clam chowder i think the joke was literally like oh you like a woman who's a tall drink of water i'm a tall can of clam chowder and then chug the whole thing and everyone's like cool okay you know it's we don't need to look back on our bits and explain them they were just like [34:08] But you were like, I mean, I think it's one of the things that you've brought to the show, like just your aesthetic, not only outside, but like your influences, like you are very, very interested in... [34:21] all types of media and art i am we talk about in your special like like paula poundstone fucked spongebob you also talk about like yeah like barely makes sense by the way and gave birth to what oh sometimes i just say stuff and i'm like it's going on um but also ren and stimpy and like peewee like what were your like what were what kind of [34:46] stuff where you like, when you think about all that stuff that jammed in your head when you were younger, what, what jam, what got in there? I think like, I always, um, I loved doing art and making stuff. And I also loved performing comedy. And for some reason, I didn't know that you could do both at the same time, like when I had started. So it was like 2015, like, you know, there's not like the internet and the way it is now. Like I didn't realize I could blend art. Like I was doing

[35:16] It was very, you know, raunchy, blue, like horrific comedy. So I'd make the posters be like lungs with nipples on it and be like, you know what the show's going to be, whatever. Right. The letters are like a tampon with poop on it. I wasn't that creative. But I was like, oh, that was like a trigger warning for the show. Awesome. My mom, by the way, to my special taping, wore my old Helltrap Nightmare shirt, which [35:46] open gashed vagina with like a butthole. What do you guys do? Insert picture here. [35:55] Sarah, how does you, what do your parents think? Like how do they, it is so intense. It's intense. It's intense. And I don't mean to be misogynistic because like if it's a man, it's, they get a [36:16] They love the work. How did they like do they invite their friends to your show? Yes. They they're down. It is. It's literally like Paul Schrader hardcore. The my daughter. No, turn it off. When he has to watch his daughter doing porn. It is that. But they love it. They love it. They are really supportive. And I do think I have to say it. [36:40] I think that's like what the confidence is a little. Okay. I think that that's true. I didn't want to say it, but like, I'm learning about like loving parents privilege. Like if you have parents who are like, you're great. You dad really creates a scaffolding for the rest of your life. Obviously when you try things where you're like, well, I guess my parents will still love me. No, I, there, there, there's not a threat of losing my family. Yeah. And like, yeah.

[37:06] Maybe this is TMI, but I did a bit. I've done a lot of like updates where I'm in a big animal costume. And that is Lauren's idea. Yeah, because I think I'm like, he's like, what am I going to do with her? She's crazy. She's like a wild animal. I'll just make her be a wild animal. I don't think people know that he pitches. [37:23] Like he was like, you're going to play a squirrel. I'm like, okay. [37:28] Whatever you want. You're my boss. Okay, boss. He said like after I did, I think a squirrel or some fucking animal. He said, when you did that, I could tell you were loved as a child. And I was like. [37:42] Clocked. He has very. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I remember being like. [37:50] Oh, yeah. Yeah. He, as the kids would say, he can read you really fast. For filth. [38:03] This episode is brought to you by Whole Foods Market. [38:06] Spring is here, so celebrate it with fresh, juicy, seasonal produce and some very tasty limited time flavors. [38:13] New Whole Foods Market Peach Apricot Rose Italian Soda. [38:17] Perfect for a picnic or brunch, as is their trending mango yuzu chantilly cake. [38:24] But if you're on the go, new 365 strawberry pretzels make a great sweet snack. That sounds delicious. Get savings with yellow sales signs store-wide and everyday low prices on 365 brand items.

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[40:08] Thank you. [40:10] Okay, so you have this way of performing, and then you audition for SNL. [40:17] first when you're really young don't get in what was that like well like was it a real audition would it like did you go into the studio okay it was um sharna halpern from i.o shout out girl shout out sharna i'll talk about sharna for one second sharna halpern ran improv olympic a theater in chicago now called i.o because the olympics sued and made them change their name the olympics [40:47] my case just like put me on an improv team said hey there's a woman named tina you're gonna really like her you guys sharna arranged that marriage and sharna was in charge of so many of us and like launched so many careers oh my god i didn't know that so halper and sharna got you in front of the sharna shana she's always had an eye she knows that's great because i would i just wanted to do comedy i couldn't get into the fucking college thing and so i was like oh i'll go do it in [41:17] Chicago. And I was like kind of a bad fit. And I'm like, not again, how I feel self-conscious about my limited range. It's like, you kind of need a little bit of range for improv. And I was kind of not a good fit there. And I would also wear like, they would be like, I'd have to get talkings too. It's like, Hey, you're wearing a big shirt with the brain on it. It's a little distracting. I'm like, um, I was like, I'm kind of a bad fit there, but she was like, you're going

[41:47] that's a bad idea because I was doing these things with the chorizo penis whatever right and I was like I just didn't and she was she was like you're gonna do that she's like you're gonna be great like if you need help with it and I was like well everyone tells you [42:02] I didn't know anything. And, you know, everyone's like, oh, your five minutes has to be like characters and impressions or whatever. So I did that. It was obviously terrible. [42:10] Like it was just like I was trying to do what I thought the assignment was. Sure. And I bombed really badly. [42:18] Um... [42:19] I wore like my, I remember what I wore. I wore, I know. We're actually finding out I'm a clothes addict. [42:26] All my memories are marked by like my outfit. Well, I would say that you're, you like work from the outside in. Yeah, I do. Yeah. So actually this is a problem at SMR a little bit. All right, well now it's time now for season six, Inside Out. [42:39] Or from the inside out. I've been trying. It's really hard. I would love to see you just in a, I would love to see you in a neutral dress, a slip dress, hair natural, no makeup. Yes. Leaves blowing. Hello, children. Your homework's late. Big recurring character. Your homework's late. Can I think, can I write that down? It's amazing. [43:09] okay it's okay it's okay don't don't beat yourself up i mean it's a lot to ask it's a lot it's hard it's hard it's hard to show any especially when you're it's like playing with it's like practicing with your backhand like you're really your forehand is really strong and you're like i can score and someone's like now hit it with your backhand you're like now i know i'm 33 you don't think i'm trying

[43:39] character and like everyone every character she has is like an internal world and like the jokes come kind of easy to her because she has like inside she like knows what the character wants and there's like there's a motivation there and i feel like i've been doing it all wrong for like six fucking years because i'm like what if the wig is weird and then you have to come like writing the joke because it's so much harder because you're like forcing it from the other way around [44:09] right now, I think [44:11] you're not afraid of the failure. I think you're afraid of the success because I actually think you can do it. I actually think you are a good actor and you can't do it. You're afraid of being successful at it. So like, I'm not afraid of being an actor. I am free. People say that thing where they're like, Oh my God, you're stand up. That's so brave. I'm like, it's, it's cowardice. It is true. Yes, it is true. Cowardice. Like I, you know, so many things, even in my special are [44:41] my god you're like loose and riffing uh that's all written down you think i would riff during my hbl comedy no i have a pre-planned bit i'm like i'm gonna find someone in the crowd wearing glasses and i go why'd you wear glasses to the show so you could wear your pre-pubescent it's okay we'll edit it here we go and don't edit it show my failure i'm actually a vulnerable

[45:11] Oh, my God, you should make your own blooper, vulnerable blooper reel. I'm showing my own pits. Hey, guys, why did you wear your glasses to the show so you could see my pre-pubescent body better? You pervert. Everyone goes, oh, you think I thought of that on the spot? No, I wrote it down eight years ago, and I've been saying it every day since. Sucks. [45:41] knowing that you're not getting fired from the show, basically, like, which is true. Like you're at that point. Congrats, babe. You're at that point. I was crazy this season a little bit. Well, you might get fired from something you say for sure, but not for lack of like, we don't need you. Right. But yes, you might get fired. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be saying HR did want me to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sorry for what I did and who I touched. Yeah. [46:11] yourself, your POV, and your sense of what you think is funny. And you worked within the system, i.e. like you coming at Colin and update is a perfect example where you're like, okay, I'm going to use this. [46:25] structure, I'm going to hit Colin, who's like the ultimate alpha, straight, white, punching bag, successful punching bag, and he can handle it. Yes. And why it's so satisfying to watch, because to me, it also... [46:40] and you do this a lot in your comedy, especially in your special,

[46:44] where you like play around with what I like to call like the millennial threat like this this idea that like someone's going to get something wrong yes but people are very scared to screw up yes and I I have of course we all have yes but you are like pressuring the powers that be that they might fuck up it's very exhilarating to watch because obviously it's also talking about like cancer girls are like misogyny and like patriarchy and all that stuff but it's not it's just funny [47:14] be to Colin calling him a pedophile, whatever, whatever. I'm really mean to myself. Yeah. So, yeah, it's, you know, but even that it's like, I got lucky on the show because he, he, I joined the show as a complete act. I was shocked that I was there. All my friends, like the inside joke was like, okay, Sarah's going to show up as a waiter and say, you know, want some water, ma'am? And I got fired. You know, that was a big joke with all my friends who are apparently like, [47:44] be there. And I wasn't expecting anything to happen. Like I was writing sketches, but I didn't really know. I didn't even have final draft until midnight on writing night. Like I didn't know about any of this. And then, um, so I wasn't getting any sketches on the show, but I didn't really care. But then Colin was like, why don't you come on update and do like your yourself? And I didn't even know that you could do that. There is some version of [48:08] getting known on the show and it doesn't stamp you forever but like where people see you as a person right face but i wouldn't have done that if he didn't say so because it felt like presumptuous or something right i really was there to be like a good sport and just do whatever the job was okay but i just want to gently say to you that you should just take credit for that success because even though it wasn't your original idea perhaps we all know that we're collaborating

[48:38] One other thing I want to ask you about, and then we'll jump off SNL, but Louis. [48:44] Thank you. [48:44] Let's talk about Louie Zakarian. What is there to say? Louie runs the makeup department, and... [48:50] He is... [48:52] incredible it's crazy like let's talk about him for a second and what he's made for you uh what hasn't he he does it prosthetics and makeup takes time yeah and like i think i've seen people describe the snl makeup experience as a pit crew there's like eight people putting on a bald cap at once i've moderated um comic-con panels for him where it's like it'll be a guy in a grogu grogu suit or whatever being like sir what's your fastest bald cap application and he [49:22] hear the crowd go. [49:24] Yeah. You see like every X-Men character in like a blue man. Like they should make them. They should make a TV show like the pit. Yes. And they should make it in the makeup room of Louie's room because the way that they like in, like in the pit, the way they like save people by like stabbing them in the heart and like, like that's how Louie has to do makeup. Yeah. He's ripping a bird beak off and putting googly eyes on my eyes. He's get out there. But by the way, he, he's having so much fun. Like, yeah. [49:50] He never says no. He's having so much fun. He films the whole thing. And it's like, we could have like 45 seconds to get me looking from Jessica Rabbit into like Miss Grinch or whatever. And he still is like one selfie. And it's like hilarious. He gets off on the thrill of it. He, he, like my favorite, we did a thing where it was like, it was supposed to look like me and Michael B. Jordan got stuck on a roller coaster. And it like, it blew our like hair and mouth open. And I was like.

[50:19] I was like, can you make it look like I have a speculum in my mouth, like blowing my mouth out, but you don't see any plat. Like, it just has to look like it's naturally like that. And he doesn't say no. Right. Well, that's what an emergency room doctor is like. We'll see what we can do. Yeah. Let the baby die. I think so. And it's the same stakes for a comedy show. It's the same stakes. It's the same stakes. And that's if there's any takeaway. It's that what you do is as important as people that work in the air. No one banged their pots and pans for me. [50:49] this is another meet your question if you had unlimited funds oh and you could make any disgusting creation what would it be i don't know if i want to ask you this question yeah maybe let's say on snl so we have to say that it passes like you have it like because because there have been [51:09] This is another reason why working outside in, I love that, taking that. I'm going to write my book about that. So you have fun with your book. I'm taking outside in. It's like – [51:23] It can be such a hindrance because me and Dan Bulla had this idea for maybe a sketch that's at a facial spa or something. And when they take our sheet masks off, it just pulls the whole front of our face off. And for years, me and Louis have been like, how are we going to do that? [51:45] Because, like, when I first started the show, I was in, like, one sketch every six and a half months. So, like, but now it's, like, maybe I'll be playing Trump right beforehand. Who knows, James? I'm coming for your breakfast nachos.

[51:58] So, it's, like, if I had unlimited funds, it would be, like, I would be able to do something like that really fast with Luke. Like, I just want to take my whole face off. Why do you want to? I don't know. It's really weird. And it's not normal. [52:15] like when you say that my brain pictures it and I'm like, Oh, Sarah, you just made your life so much harder. But I know I'm, but if that is just, it also is like, there is a, [52:28] There's such an incredible performance artist. Like you have a Cindy Sherman vibe. You have a dance with the grotesque that's super interesting. And it's always like what level is gross? What grosses you? Does anything gross you out? The other day, literally, you know how people chew on their sleeves? Oh, yeah, like wet. [52:57] wet fabric on my teeth. Like I got grazed on, on the train on the tooth with my own sleeve. And it like gave you a chill. That's like my nails on a chalkboard is like stuff like that. Okay. But any kind of like your face peeling off, you're down. All good. All good. All good. And, and then, [53:17] My last question in that SNL space is, because we all have them, what does your SNL stress streams look like? [53:23] I actually wrote a sketch about this. Okay, incredible. It is... Oh, my God. I wish I could remember the sketch because it was like... You know when you stay up all night, you're like...

[53:32] I'm getting a Nobel Peace Prize. Classic sketch. Classic sketch. They always win the Nobel Peace Prize. I wrote it two years ago. I'm sure if I read it today, I'd be like, what? You know what I mean? My stress dream is always writing night. And it's always... [53:50] I get to, I'm at writing night and I'm, the clock says it's like midnight or one in the morning and I don't have anything yet. And I'm going from room to room with like my tin can being like, what are you with me? And everyone's like, no, I'm already busy. I already have my thing for the week. And I'm going door to door down the hallway and the hallway gets longer. Very. Okay. Christopher Nolan, don't steal this. [54:15] Odyssey 2. Odyssey 2. The human centipede. [54:20] don't tempt me with a good time Amy Poehler and the hallway just gets longer and longer and I'm like does anyone want to write with me and that's like that's what I'm the most anxious about all the time it's like bombing on live tv is one thing bombing trying to get someone to write a sketch with you is a fate worse than death I have one more stress stream that was my first year okay which was there's a prop toilet on the floor of 8h [54:45] I have this dream two times. There's a prop toilet on the floor of 8H. I know it's not hooked up to any pipes. I know it's a prop, and I shit in it anyway. And everybody's looking at me like the last shot in Murder on the Orient Express. There's like a shot where they're like all looking down at this dead body, and you see the POV of the dead body looking back at everyone. And I see everyone looking at me going,

[55:07] The toilet's not hooked on something. Why did you do that? And I'm going, I know. I have no idea what happened. And my Jungian dream analyst at the time said that when you poop in a dream, grouse. [55:20] it's it's like you're putting work out there and you're embarrassed i work hard yeah and also you have a youngian um dream and i know do you do a lot of therapy i do many times a week oh fun doesn't seem to be working online or in purse i'm on the [55:41] Thank you. [55:41] You're on the couch. [55:44] I'm lying down on the couch and the whole time? yep [55:50] whoa i'm doing like analysis i'm calling i'm doing and now that's old school yeah and um just i just noticed recently because i don't look at my therapist and sometimes i'll be like yeah male or female therapist of course it's a man it's not fixed it's a man it's not working a woman would [56:20] hire me and I went... [56:22] he forgot he was there yeah and i was like stop i don't know why that was so i immediately i was like i never looked at him and i was like oh my get it together you're making me think about like my stress dreams for snl were less about like

[56:43] Will you guys, you know, like, where can I get in here and write with people or like, oh, no, my my. [56:51] my the shit in my toilet you guys don't like which is your work your work um but mine was disappointing um [56:58] Mine was about disappointing, like powerful figures. It's a very Gen X-y stress stream. So mine was always, mine was always about [57:08] I would often have it, which is I'd hear Jenna Rossitano, as we talked about the great AD calling me and I would realize, oh, my God, I'm not on stage. Like I I'm missing my my cue. Yeah. And I had it more than once where I'd be running down from nine to eight. [57:25] And I'd pass everybody whose opinion I cared about. And they look at you and they would go like this. [57:38] show it was always of course lord and like and everyone was just like wow like you really let us down it's like amy poehler you are late for hot dog mart mitzvah where is your prosthetic butt your funny wig it's so crazy what gives us literal anxiety trauma is like you running to go do like [58:08] the hot dog hospital. [58:11] And Lauren going, [58:12] You're a disappointment to your father. I'm like, wait, I have to go be Captain Crutch the musical.

[58:24] So stupid. [58:28] Okay, and the last question that Mitra wanted me to ask you, and she had so many good ones, was like the, and you're talking, you've talked about it a little bit, but like the biggest bomb and the best and the favorite show you've ever done. [58:42] must have bombed big time. And I'm kind of fascinated about your time opening with Adam Sandler, who talk about what a terrific, lovely person and, [58:53] like nicest person probably to be around and open for, but the audience might not have been that ready for you. He is still a good way to say it. Thank you. And thank you. I'll take it away from here. Okay. [59:10] It is okay. But sucking initiation, a computer enhanced butt sucking right now. You and Adam are, [59:18] And there have been other cats like Fred. You guys are so minchy that it's like, [59:26] Ah. [59:27] I'm thinking of people who have, like... [59:29] How could anyone do SNL without the Menches? Like, I have Adam being like, you're doing great, kid. Like, I would have blown my brains out from here to the Western Seaboard if I didn't have him being like, you got it, dude. Yeah. He's so, every time you see him, how's your mother? How's your father? How's Hanukkah? What's going on? I love you. How are you? So Menchie. And, like, opening for him, I have bombed a lot. Yeah. Because people have paid good money to be there. They have hired babysitters.

[59:59] sack they are six drinks in they are there to see adam sandler not long island presents sarah sherman someone they don't know who's sweating up there they have paid good money to see the wedding singer well honestly when i was watching your special i was fascinated by the audience because i was like this audience so your special um sarah squirm live in the flesh live and in the flesh live plus in the flesh that was a big that was a big thing live plus in the [1:00:29] And first of all, why is it Sarah Squirm? That was how I, like when I was doing these basement shows with the Tree Zone stuff, it was just like the poster was like, you know, written in guts. Also, I was like performing with bands like Piss, Piss, Piss, Moan, Moan, Moan. Rest in peace, Alejandro. He has passed. That's a crazy thing to say. [1:00:51] But like I was like, so I was like, I don't want to just be like Anne Sarah. And then there's Sarah. So like I was kind of like. [1:00:59] persona. It was like, it was like x-ray specs or like Alice Cooper or something. And I like, it's very music. It's very music. That's like the show. That's like, it was the shows that I was doing. Cause I was like, I just, you know, it was, it was the vibe. Yeah. And, um, [1:01:14] Did you get pressure to, like, did people say it should be Sarah Sherman? So then when I got, so, like, I auditioned for, when I auditioned for SNL, you know, [1:01:24] they or no i was doing i was just performing sarah squirm at the time and i wasn't really like thinking about it and then when i got so that that's on all my snl paperwork is just they found me at a show as sarah squirm so that's still on my paper you've never been paid i've never been paid i don't work there yeah my alter ego works there point to another ghost over here and lauren when i got the job lauren called me and was like you know they're like oh sarah like

[1:01:54] And he's like, [1:01:56] we think squirm is a little distracting. And I go... [1:01:59] say no more. You can have whatever you want. And you know who liked that? Your parents. Yeah. My mom is still to this day. People will be like, hi, Mrs. Squirm. And she's like, no. [1:02:10] Yeah. Don't call me that. Yeah. They want to hear Sherman. They want to hear Sherman. Yeah. And so when I was doing the special, like not, you know, people don't know me from standup, really, because I know the ticket sales show. [1:02:22] Pittsburgh. They're like, you know, everyone's like, it should be like Sarah Sherman live in the flesh. But I'm like, but that's not the character. Yeah, I get it. And it really helps set like the table. Like you said, like you set the table really fast. [1:02:40] He's got the force. The special starts with something I've never seen in a company special, which is like, it's like, there's like a warning of graphic violence. There is. It's like, there's a warning of graphic, like there's so many warnings. There is. [1:02:55] No. [1:02:56] You also start with John Waters. I know. Which is the ultimate trigger warning. Yes, you're so right. If he's like going to put a stamp on something, you know that like there's going to be so much poop. [1:03:09] talked about for sure and also just like he's like this this i mean he's [1:03:17] What does he mean to you, John Waters? Everybody. How did you get him? I wrote him a letter. You wrote him a letter. I wrote him a letter that was like, I drew like,

[1:03:29] everything what's so helpful with visual art or like all this it's like you can provide your own trigger warning always so i wrote a like for the posters for hell trap it's like there's a butthole that's bleeding with an eyeball like you know what you're getting into oh my god sarah enough enough okay so i wrote him a letter and there was like intestines all over it and i was like do you want to like you know there's this do you want to play the stage manager in my stand-up [1:03:59] your scene partner will be this. And then I drew a little picture of me as like the bones and guts on the floor. And I'm like, this is who you're going to be talking to. And then I put my number at the bottom of the letter. And I was like, if you're interested, call me or whatever. And then I was getting into therapy on a particularly devastating read of a day. I had just bought a loaf of sourdough bread and I was literally walking down my block, ripping off pieces of bread and eating it like an animal or a raccoon. Good job, Lauren, you do. [1:04:26] And I got a call from an unknown number, [1:04:29] more area code. Hey Sarah, it's John Waters. I'll see you on set. What? [1:04:35] And I said to my producers, because I had written this stage manager character. What a cool way to say it. I'll see you on set. No, I was like. That's an old school, fun way to say it. I'll see you on set. I'll see you on set. And I was like, do you want me to, is there anything you want to say? And he's like, I'm not writing it. You wrote it. I'm saying what you wrote. And I go, that's professional. Oh, yeah. He doesn't have punch up. He's like, I'll be. I bet he had about like a two hour door to door, right? Like he was like, we got a hard out. We got to be out of here in an hour and a half.

[1:05:03] He was being hilarious and he was pitching jokes because he couldn't, he couldn't have stuff. And guess what? They made it in. Yes. Okay. You want some Visine because my eyeball's out? That was a John Waters original riff. Yeah. It's like, I'm the luckiest girl in the world. That's a crazy thing. I keep going back to SNL, but you're bringing it out of me, girl. [1:05:24] I if I didn't have S.M.L., I would be a random crazy person. [1:05:29] But I want to say something. I don't find you crazy. I don't think you're crazy. That's why you're interesting. Because if you were truly detached in like, in a way, not to name names, but like others, sometimes like performers who are kind of in your milieu or vibe are, then it's hard. Then it's kind of hard to attach. Sure. It is hard. Like, it's like, okay, they're in their own like creative world, but like, I don't know. We're just going to kind of watch it from afar. [1:05:59] you you aren't so it's interesting it's very interesting because you have command of what you're doing in a way that's right there is but i'm like without snl would i have been able to do this crazy comedy special where there's like a clay butt that parts out of ghost would john waters have agreed like i don't know probably not [1:06:18] Thank God. And for people that have listened all the way to the end, I mean, there is a clay, but that happens right in the beginning. If you don't like it, turn it off. Yeah. Turn it off. Speaking of comedy, as we end, what do you who are you listening to laughing? Because, you know, you do comedy all day for a job. Who what do you watch? Yes. Yes.

[1:06:37] to laugh. Like, what is your checkout? Like, is it a video? Is it a, are you watching old movies? Are you like, what, what's making you laugh? Most recent, always Real Housewives. The last question, um, meet your hat for you is, are you enjoying Real Housewives Rhode Island? [1:06:56] Listeners, Sarah is just like, she's just, she's aghast at the obvious. Yes. Did you grow up watching soaps? [1:07:04] Yeah, I watched Chevrolet Hospital. [1:07:06] Which was? My favorite show of all time. Wait, weren't you on a show? I begged to be on General Hospital so I could bring my mom. [1:07:15] And we met Sonny Corinthos and sobbed for days. [1:07:18] Okay, I just talked to Paula Pell, who also loves soaps and has not been on one, and I feel like Paula should definitely be on one. I think they were like, are you kidding? And I was like, no. Who did you play on the soap? A woman. [1:07:34] A Russian. Yeah, the Russian's arena. The Russian's arena. [1:07:39] I love talking about what makes me laugh. I was watching home movies the other day. Hysterical laughing. [1:07:48] family no i wish actually that would be nicer the cartoon oh oh yeah yeah home okay i don't know home movies it's fucking funny and it's very crude animation my kids yeah it's so funny okay dying laughing oh we've got our we've got some friends in there like um h john benjamin okay got it so laughing and it's

[1:08:14] Animated to come, created by Brendan Small and Laura Bouchard, who made Bob's Burgers. Got it, got it, got it. He'll be laughing. So are you a big animation girl? No. [1:08:24] You're not. No. Because I bet people are like, you're like animation. Like you look like a cartoon, you fucking bug eyed bitch. Jesus. Sarah, apologize. Sarah, you said it to yourself. I apologize to my friend Sarah. Bad. I patted myself. But you're not a cartoon person. No, because they like it. They can't emote or anything. Like I love Red and Stimpy. I'm not like laughing out loud. [1:08:54] You're loving it. This is getting me. Yeah, that's good. Getting my ass. And then. That's really funny. I just did. Do you know Hollywood Handbook, the podcast? I love Hollywood Handbook. I was sobbing. Okay, shout out to Hollywood Handbook. Those guys are hysterical. I saw them recently in a restaurant and asked if I could be on their pod. And I watched you and they were like, no. They were like, we're booked. And also, I watched you on Hollywood Handbook and that bit went on forever. It was 45 minutes. [1:09:24] Just one long fat joke. [1:09:26] And it was so I love a bit that goes on that long. I love it. And they were like acting like they hated it. I love it. They say like Sean will say one. I can't like I was laughing like a baby last. I guess I'm like laughing so hard, sweating through my pants.

[1:09:48] Sweating through my hat and my pants. I know. I think there's some delight. [1:09:53] And it's kind of, I'm going to bring us back. There is some kind of delight that you have that I share, which is, [1:10:02] if you get to be around like like-minded and safe people and you guys are like playing like and going like just on the corner and edges of things, but it's with people that are like not just like nice people that you like, basically there's no greater joy because it feels like you're actually like, I guess I imagine it would be like, [1:10:23] Entering dangerous terrain with people who are really skilled that will take care of you. That's the closest. I mean, we're not athletes. My body is relaxed. But I love that too. I love a family that teases each other. That to me is a sign of intimacy. Yes. And it's a sign of safety. If you're with, it obviously has to be the right people in the right way. But like when that happens, it feels like a special kind of magic. And like, yeah, we're making fat jokes. Is that amazing? [1:10:53] It's safe. You can be a little scary when it's safe. Yes. You're so right. Well, congratulations on being a vet. [1:11:05] Was that an abrupt goodbye? What should we do? I'm going to put my shoe back on. Oh, I forgot. Can you believe that I've had my shoes off the entire time? How did it feel? Did you feel grounded? It didn't feel bad. I don't mind it. It didn't feel bad.

[1:11:23] Like, did you or were the whole time you were talking to me? Were you like, are you a shoes off person in your house? [1:11:29] I like my shoes on and I like Frankenstein boots all day. Yeah. I'm not even wearing them right now. So you think I'm a fucking liar. I'm wearing little shoes. You got little cuties though. But let's not show them for free. Yeah. Let's not show them for free. No, ma'am. No, you got to pay for that. Yeah. That's correct. A lot because we're on TV. Yeah. And AI is going to take everybody's job. So we're going to, the only thing robots don't have, human feet. And when they show them, they have an extra toe. And that's kind of interesting. [1:11:59] Sarah has a weird condition where her big toe is just a sack of bones. Right. So if that's your kink, then you've got to go to her toe channel. And if you are only listening to the end of this podcast, weird, why didn't you listen to the beginning? Did you just like scrub through? And if that's your kink, then we're not kink shaming you. But you might want to think about listening a podcast the entire way through because it also might be satisfying. Right. [1:12:22] Or I like to kink shame. I think it's weird when people like stuff that's weird. [1:12:27] Sorry. [1:12:29] Thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. [1:12:36] Thank you so much, Sarah Squirm, Sarah Sherman. It was so fun to talk to you and you're so fast and funny and yeah, what a delight. And yeah, [1:12:49] You know, Sarah and I talked about a lot of people that we've had the pleasure to work with, but I just want to give a little shout out again to a woman in my life who really shaped my career. And I know a lot of people in Chicago could say the same. And that is Sharna Halpern. Sharna was the president.

[1:13:09] creator and the person who started a theater called IO in Chicago with Dell close. [1:13:16] And Sharna was just one of those people that if she saw something in you, she puts you in front of important people and she puts you on stage and I've [1:13:25] In my case, she changed my life. So thank you, Sharna, for helping me meet most of the people who I still work with today. And for those of you that are in Chicago, go see improv and go see it in any city. Support it today and every day and support the arts. OK, thanks. Bye. [1:13:47] You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman and me, Amy Poehler. [1:13:55] Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, and Alea Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.