#2459 - Jim Breuer

[00:00] Joe Rogan podcast check it out the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day good to see you my friend yeah you too [00:21] Young Jamie. So I stopped you. We were getting coffee. I said, stop, hold this. So what were you saying? Which one first? The prostate one. Okay, so prostate one. Let's go straight to the day. All right. [00:33] That is not really the dick. It's behind the dick. So this would be... I'm an anatomist. It is behind the dick. Is that a word? Anatomist? Autopsy? So bladder contains approximately 5 milliliters of cloudy yellow urine. The prostate is slightly and diffusely enlarged with marked enlargement of the verumontanum. That's how I would have said it. The testes are unremarkable. [01:03] about my nuts. [01:06] I want them to say, wow, what a great pair. Great body, but the nuts are... Unremarkable. Unremarkable. Unremarkable. So here is a... [01:16] some sort of discussion between him and someone. Okay. Uh, the guy says exactly not clear. It affects hormones might have on that aren't replaced by testosterone. The advantage of taking testosterone. There are two different things. You can have high testosterone and still have a need for Viagra because you don't have a prostate. Right. And then Epstein says, correct. And then at the bottom of the show, another doc, hold on. Let me keep going there. So that's an

[01:46] I was actually going to try and move up on level sort of drug enhancing life. [01:51] If you don't mind it, he doesn't mind it. I'm sort of outer space thinking. So he's trying to juice up. So he's saying I'm moving up one level of sort of drug enhancing life. [02:02] I think he means he's going to start juicing. [02:05] That's what it sounds like. [02:07] So he doesn't have a prostate? He doesn't have a prostate, it says. There's another document that says something about it. After a radical prostate. [02:15] Dectomy. [02:17] prostatectomy. So when they take out your prostate? But that doesn't necessarily say he had his, I think it's a document. But he said he doesn't have a prostate and it says patient Jeffrey Epstein. It says... [02:31] According to the American Urological Association, serum PSA should decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical prostatectomy. And there's other documents where he's contacting doctors that specialize in that. [02:44] very... [02:46] Okay, so the doctor's saying he had a radical prostatectomy. [02:51] He's saying he does not have a prostate. [02:54] But yet... [02:55] the body. [02:56] from the autopsy. [02:59] Talks about the prostate disease. [03:01] is slightly... [03:02] and diffusely enlarged. [03:07] So, [03:08] That's not his body. [03:10] That's what it seems like. I don't buy – I don't – You don't buy that? I don't buy his dead. Why would you – Right. I don't buy his dead either. Here's the other – But, however – hold on. This is from an attorney. So this is like assistant United States attorney or something. So the OCME told me it signed a confidentiality agreement in connection with the investigation into the murder of Jeffrey Epstein.

[03:34] Thank you. [03:35] So that's almost six months after he died. [03:39] They're asking for a document about the investigation of the murder of Jeffrey Epstein. [03:44] Was that because there was accusations that it was a murder? I don't know. So we talked about this before, that 18 days before he allegedly committed suicide, he complained that his cellmate tried to kill him. And you know who his cellmate is? Who? Oh, you don't know? No. I'm not Kurt Madsger. You don't know? Oh, you don't know? His cellmate was this gigantic cop who was a murderer. He had killed four different drug dealers. [04:12] Yeah, he was a contract killer. This is the guy. That's his fucking cellmate. [04:17] Thank you. [04:18] Look at that gorilla. [04:19] that's a silverback yeah dirty cop [04:23] murderer. [04:24] And then they said, hmm, most high-profile witness of all time, defendant of all time. Let's put him in jail with a murderer, a guy who contract kills, dirty cop. [04:36] And then he says – well, the report was they found him unresponsive with a noose around his neck or an orange jumpsuit turned into a rope around his neck. And then he said that his – [04:48] Salome tried to kill him. My question. [04:51] in [04:53] Does anyone really believe he was in a jail cell? Because I know if I had the guy that can unravel entire government.

[05:04] dynasties and take down an entire system. The last thing... Dude, he's somewhere about three miles underground with maybe a ball in his mouth with electric rods. Or he's in Israel sipping Mai Tais. Correct. Either place, it's like [05:25] that video you said you sent this on a run around we're gonna ask you one more time or then we're gonna laser off your nipples i'm telling you right now we need yeah i doubt they're doing that to him so it's yeah he's he's either in israel like you said if they had that they would just get rid of his body you saw the you saw the picture of the so-called that was him [05:45] In Israel? I think that's AI. I think it's AI, too. That's a scary thing with AI. I think it even had a little AI watermark on it, the one I saw at least. But who knows? It could be a real picture that someone put through AI to put a watermark on it so that people could go, oh, it's AI. [06:01] Right. You don't know. Do you see the lady that they say looks exactly like Ghislaine Maxwell? I don't think she looks exactly like Ghislaine Maxwell. I think she looks exactly like Ghislaine Maxwell 20 years ago. It's a deep fake. It's a deep fake? Yeah. Oh, okay. Sam Tripoli reposted the guy that made it. [06:16] He made another video too that was not as good where he's looking at Benjamin Netanyahu on the street. It's not really as good. I feel like the problem is the aging. She doesn't look aged. She looks younger. [06:26] But I guess that's what happens when you get out of jail. [06:29] And you get more attractive. Yeah, you get food. You get sunlight, makeup, a little exercise. Taking some yoga. Yeah. Is there any video of him in jail? Are there any photos of him in jail? I've never thought about that before, but what you're saying is a good point. Joe, if you held – let's say you were the person that had all this incredible information around the world, bribery.

[06:56] You take drug lords. You're not killing them. You need the information. So you're going to bring them somewhere. You're going to milk them to it, however that is, whether he's tied up, whether he's – you're going to torment him. You're like, listen, I'm telling you right now. We're going to take care of you. However, I need to – you say there's tapes, right? Yeah. Where are the tapes? Write them down. And you're going to stay – don't feed him. Don't feed him until we get that one tape and we have these names in our hands. [07:26] for months, for years. You're not taking someone like that and going, oh, we're just going to put this very viable human being into a jail cell. With a multiple murderer. With two guys making $18 an hour are going to watch him. Who are sleeping. Come on, stop. When the cameras are down. Stop. They pre-production. All right, so let's get the green screen, and we have him walking in here, sir, as that looks somewhat, and then we can release it down the road. [07:56] says Hollywood nonsense. I don't buy it. [07:58] This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Paramount+. UFC history is going down at the White House. It's the world's greatest fights on America's biggest stage. Watch UFC Freedom 250 at the White House live today, only on Paramount+. [08:18] This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight.

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[10:17] Okay, this is assuming, though, that he was working on his own, that he had all this information. So if he's not working on his own, he's working for an intelligence agency, then they have that information as well. So along the way, so there are no secrets that he's holding, they have all the secrets. [10:32] This is much more likely. So in order for him to be in the position that he was in allegedly working for intelligence agencies, working for either the Mossad, the CIA or both, all the above. [10:46] I would assume that along the way, all of the information was shared. [10:51] I do not believe they would let one person have access to all that information and store it themselves. I think they would have access to it at every step of the way. They would communicate with him at every step of the way, and they would probably have access. [11:04] If I was running a government agency like that, I would say, tell me what's going on. What do you have on Bill Gates? What do you have on Les Wexner? What do you have on these guys? What are they willing to do? What about these scientists? Are they willing to fill bogus science papers out? And what can we do? Jeffrey Epstein stashed secret files and storage unit across U.S. that may include never-before-seen evidence. Oh. So this came out yesterday. [11:33] when he got arrested, he supposedly paid for investigators to go round up all of his stuff and [11:39] Put it in various storage units across the country. Like it's a wild goose chase now. [11:44] And like there's stuff in the air that maybe no one's ever seen. They don't know if they're still being paid for. They don't know. Imagine if they found, I mean, you know those storage unit shows? I know, exactly. When they break into those storage unit shows? I don't understand. And it happened on the real time one? Right. Like they think they're just getting like old baseball cards. I heard those shows are bullshit. A friend of mine told me that what they do is they'll stock those shows.

[12:09] buying the storage unit that's been abandoned, and then they get in there, and then they find things. But those things were – Yeah. Yeah. [12:14] Fuck you. I don't buy any reality TV. I know, but that's awful. Well... [12:19] It's entertainment. I feel duped. [12:21] Do you really? I do. Joe, you really thought once in a while you thought it was real. Not the government corruption, not all the Medicaid fraud, not all the immigration fraud, not all the ICE stuff. No, what really bugs me. [12:34] is lying on a storage unit show. [12:37] I just can't. Or like a cash cab show. Are they really contestants? These are great distractions. These are the great distractions to keep us from paying attention to what's really going on in the world. Reality TV. There's no reality. It's all well produced. Wow. How much is it well produced? Here's the question. Is it really well produced? Because it seems like this one was a really shitty production job. That was production. That was bad. That was like low, low. The only guy making it is the guy that's selling the ads. He's crushing it. [13:07] guy who's in charge of it fucks kids. Right? Oh, this one. Yeah. So this one. Why would you let that guy who's going to eventually get caught... [13:17] I would assume if you have a thing for kids, you have a thing for if you're a pedophile. [13:23] If you're into like 14-year-old girls, I would assume you're going to get caught. And if I had a guy like that or was this at a time where you couldn't get caught – [13:35] Because there was no internet, and then it got to a point where he had so much power and control because he'd been there for so long. They couldn't – they were like, oh, Jesus Christ, we've got a problem.

[13:46] Well, he's... [13:47] Think of it. Criminals... [13:49] They never think they're getting caught, period. Like, think organized crime. [13:56] It's no different than the scenes from Goodfellas, right? You come in and say, what's the matter with you? You show up with a pink Cadillac? What's the matter with you? Right. What's the matter with you? They can't help it. He told everyone, don't spend the money. Don't look flashy. This guy, without a doubt. His wife had a pink coat on, remember that? Right. Take it off. Take it off. [14:19] You gave it to me for my birthday. Like, get off. What's the matter with you? And now that guy, there's no, this guy, he's just the, remember when the steroids came out in baseball? Uh-huh. And what'd they do? They were like, listen, you got to take a hit. [14:33] You got to take a hit. Mark, Barry Bonds, you guys are going to go out. We're going to front you. But don't worry. You're going to stay in baseball. We'll let it. It'll go away in about 10 years. But the owners are not going to get popped. The people making the steroids injected, the people aren't going to get popped. Well, they got popped. They got popped. [14:51] BALCO got popped. It doesn't even... No, they got popped. The little guys get popped. The little ones. No, no, no. The head of BALCO went to jail. I had him on the podcast after he got out of jail. What about the owners that knew it was good? What about the agents and lawyers that are supplying their stuff? No, no, no. Listen, you don't understand about the baseball thing. BALCO had developed a... Victor Conte, who had been on the podcast before, was a scientist essentially. [15:14] And he had developed a steroid that was undetectable because steroids, they detect them based on certain molecules. And if you adjust certain molecules, it doesn't show up in the test. So he developed this thing called the clear. He called it the clear because it evaded tests. Right. This is to evade the test that the Major League Baseball Association was doing and any drug tests because this was an unknown steroid. So this was not known by the organizations. It was not known by the team. It was not known by anybody.

[15:44] People suspected it because Barry Bonds grew five hat sizes and gained 50 fucking pounds of solid muscle. People suspected it. Right. But the bottom line is you don't know what you don't know. And they didn't know. There's no reason to tell them, hey, guys, we're giving Barry some secret steroids. He did this for his own personal gain because he was brought to the attention of this Victor Conte guy who eventually became an anti-doping guy, which is really weird. [16:14] Sure. [16:35] Well, I'll tell you this. [16:37] I remember at that time, [16:40] uh, [16:41] Because I was in the... [16:43] You were in TV world, TV world, and you attract all different types. We did a show. Well, you weren't on the show back then. On Hardball. The baseball, yeah. Barry Bonds was on Hardball. Yeah. He was on one of the episodes. Yes. I remember seeing it because we'd sit and watch. My wife and I were like, yeah, it's Joe. And we tried out for the same thing. And I rooted. Well, you were on the pilot. Yes, I was in the pilot. But I rooted for everyone I knew. Yeah. I was just like, oh, my God. You've always been like that. I loved that. [17:13] - Later. [17:14] He'd come friends with…

[17:16] certain type of people and [17:19] lawyers, agents, blah, blah, blah. And I remember, uh, [17:24] I remember one night hanging out, you know, kind of like, wow, this is so-and-so who – [17:29] I don't want to get into names and all that, but they would go, you want to hear some crazy phone calls? [17:36] Like, what do you mean? It's like, boom. And they told me 75%. And I'm like, what? What? [17:43] 75% of what? Athletes are on steroids. I'm like, what? What? [17:49] 75, 80% baseball. I'm like, come on. There's no way. Come on. And then he'd play a phone message. And I didn't want to say this for years because I thought I'd get whacked. [18:01] Hey, I love you. [18:03] So I remember them going, here, listen to this. And you would hear like the wives of my life going, if he hits me one more time, I'm reporting all you. I'm going to do it. [18:19] I'm like, hey, man, we've got a big series coming up with the Dodgers. I need my shit. Like, now. I need it by blah, blah, blah. And who is this person calling? These were ballplayers calling their representation. [18:33] So the representation meaning their agents and lawyers. So maybe the agents are the people that hooked him up with the people that had the Jews, which makes sense. And then they would talk. Because the agents want money. They want money. So what's the best way to get money? Guy's got to hit home runs. He's got to hit home runs.

[18:49] to start belting the ball. He makes money, I make money. That makes sense. And we all make money and then I start telling, I'm not saying this happened, but if you're an owner, I'm like, hey Joe, I'm just telling you right now, this guy, you want to keep an eye on him, he's going to start jacking 20 extra home runs. [19:04] Really? How's he going to do that? You'll find out. We don't need to talk about that. But next year, if you've got XYZ budget, I think he'd like to play it. So there's a lot at play. Right. And now you're infiltrating. [19:19] Children, because now you're going to the farm leagues and I can't make it unless you start doing that. But that's why I say someone like this guy with a long network. There's there's so many tentacles right all over the place. But you always need the fall guy. [19:35] Right. I mean, was he the demon? Yeah. [19:41] There's a lot of demons there. Did you see that one, the email that I sent you, Jamie, where he's talking about children for sex? Yeah. [19:50] Do you remember the email I sent you, Jamie? I sent it the other day. I was like, well, that pretty much sums it up then because he actually said it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Find that. I sent it to you in a text message. This one's crazy. This one's crazy. [20:02] This one's crazy. I've heard so he's having a conversation with a woman. [20:06] Who says that she heard that there's a place. Here it is. She's very emotional, kind, loving, sharp. I think you can become friends to her. So here it says a friend, Aliza, told me about a project she's doing researching a really bad guy that gets children for sex sent to his island.

[20:22] She almost fainted when I told her that person is me. [20:27] Wow. [20:31] Like, [20:33] What? [20:34] Okay, so that's just there. [20:37] There's no way to interpret that any other way. That person is me. That person is me. Children for sex sent to his island... [20:47] That person is me. [20:50] Holy shit. [20:52] That one is fucking crazy. [20:56] That's 2018. [20:59] So, yeah, this has been going on for... So this is like right before he got arrested, right? [21:05] Supposedly. But when did he get arrested? 2019. 2019, right? One month? Yeah. I don't know. I feel like it was May, maybe. So this was like... [21:16] There was an investigative reporter that was at the head of all this, this lady that was really pushing because she had found out about his sweetheart deal in 2008. And she started gathering information and pushing it. [21:31] And that's what led ultimately, I think, to his being arrested. [21:36] Or... [21:38] What I would say is the front of like, hey, we're doing things. Well, if there's a different body that the autopsy had, it makes you question like, was he ever in that cell or was this person who's in that cell? Did they sell this person as Jeffrey Epstein?

[21:53] Right. Well, you imagine the guy in the cell going, I am not. No, no, no. I'm not. No, no, no. My name is Harvey. I live on the Upper East Side. I don't know what happened. I got a speeding ticket. Now, next thing you know, I can't go home. Yes. And this poor guy's just getting railed hard before just sitting there and he's tying him up on the thing. And he's just, yeah, you're going to spin him around for a couple hours. Yes. [22:17] This episode is brought to you by Visible. Folks, there's one thing nobody wants this season, and that's getting catfished. And it's not just dating profiles that are putting you at risk. It's also big wireless carriers. You know the type. Looks great at first. Promises a low price. But once you're locked in, surprise fees and an expensive bill that isn't what you were expecting. Your knight in shining armor? Visible Wireless. [22:47] and hotspot for just $25 a month, taxes and fees included. Now that's a green flag. The best part, Visible is all digital, so you can switch as fast as you can swipe. Don't fall for the trap of getting catfished by wireless. Visit Visible.com to learn more and start loving your wireless carrier. Terms apply. See Visible.com for planned features and network management details. [23:17] like in that are, well, here's the thing. Are they real? [23:20] in a jumpsuit, like in court, in jail, getting arrested. I was trying to, I'm looking for. When you arrest big figures, he was a big figure. It's a big to-do. Yeah. She's like, Jeffrey, what'd you do? What about the children? Care to comment on the children? What are you doing with the children, Jeffrey? Why did you need 330 gallons of sulfuric acid? They didn't know about that back then. What are chickens? What are chickens? I don't know what's going on. What is jerky? What is jerky? Well, no one knew any of that stuff back then.

[23:50] For sure, those questions will be shouted out. What is pizza and pasta? What happened at Obama's White House? [23:58] What is pizza? [24:00] Pizza's mentioned like 900 times. It's a little weird. Clearly as a code. Yeah. [24:04] clearly as a code. You know how crazy I felt for the longest time? Just being a coffee shop. You guys don't know like, oh, yeah. Jim's a little wacky. But now it's coming up. Did you see that video we played the other day of this guy at the airport just yelling out? Yes! You guys are going out about your business. No, it's a guy. He's like, the files have been released. [24:26] Yeah. [24:27] I saw that and they were going, and you're all just going about your business. The files are released. Kids are being tortured, which – [24:35] But my question is like, what do you want me to do? What do you – I'm flying Atlanta. What do you want me to do? [24:40] I got a gig what do you want me to do scream and yell at everybody get arrested how is that going to fix anything this all happened 10 years ago what do you want me to do [24:48] And what do you do at this point? Because it's – We don't do anything at the airport. [24:55] At the airport, right? I got to get home. My wife's mother. But that's like a lot of people online. They're very performative, screaming and yelling. We're going to do this. What do you want us to do? That's their jurisdiction. [25:08] It's outrage farming. Outrage farming. I like that. You're outrage farming. Imagine going to that length, though. You're just like, you know what? I really didn't like anything you said, and you have no right being – like, who's taking the time?

[25:23] Have you ever done that? No. But it's people that are trying to farm for attention, to trying to get extra attention, or it's people that just – [25:33] Aren't that good. They're not that smart. [25:35] When's the last time you engaged with anyone? [25:41] online that was like, Rogan, you're this or you're that. That's been a long time. Long time, right? Yeah. Long time. [25:48] But up until that time... I watched fucking Louis J. Gomez do it every day. I'm like, Louis, what are you doing? [25:56] What are you doing, you psycho? Stop fucking arguing with people online and calling them losers. Yeah, no. And comparing your life to theirs. Like, don't do it. Because you don't know what you're dealing with. You have no clue what you're dealing with. [26:08] Not only that, it's like it's a bad frequency to get your brain caught up in. There's so many other things to think about. Correct. There's so much going on in the world. There's so many interesting things in life. And the problem with social media algorithms and any kind of algorithm that you get sucked into – [26:25] It funnels you into this way. This is what the information that you're getting most of the time. You're getting a lot of bad information, a lot of outrage farming. And your frequencies, like the way your brain thinks, funnels down that pathway, and you kind of lose control of it instead of having access to all the wonderful things in the world. There's a lot of amazing, fascinating, curiosity-driven people out there that are making videos about all kinds of stuff.

[26:55] instead pay attention to that stuff. [26:58] Well, that's – [26:58] Yeah. You get trapped. I used to say that even just about news. I remember being a kid, and if you look at every newspaper, and you used to watch all the headlines for the news, everything is – [27:10] I would sit there and go, okay, something bad happened down here in Brooklyn. Why do you spend every page or every headline of something negative? You had 8 to 10 million people living in this vicinity. Why do you harp on just propagandizing and looking at the dark? Because they're trying to make money. It's really simple. It's really simple. All these major newspapers are struggling, all of them, badly. [27:40] online. Very few people are buying physical newspapers anymore. No more. They're dead. Yeah. Not only that, during COVID, I think they kind of nuked their... [27:49] all their credibility. There's a lot of people that just feel like they're all bullshit artists now. It was an incredible exposing of all... [27:57] of all information during COVID. What is this? This video is he sent this [28:02] To two women. From detention? From detention. All right, let's see. [28:07] Yes. [28:09] It's very, it's weird. I had to borrow the scotch tape to get the pictures on the wall. [28:14] Okay. [28:16] So Daryl... Why do you have to see that thing over his face? I'm pretending I'm talking to Daryl. [28:22] So... [28:23] Hi Darren. You guys have a good time. You can see I have a little sore on my face that I got from some black guy trying to kiss me.

[28:31] It's really disgusting. [28:33] But there's some-- oh, it's really, oh. [28:37] Anyway, I have pictures up on the wall. I had a borrow the scotch tape to get the pictures on the wall. [28:44] I'll talk to you guys later. [28:47] Okay, so that's him in detention. He said somebody tried to kiss him. [28:51] He seems pretty calm when he almost got raped. Dude, it's pre-production. All right, so listen. Come in the room and say that somebody tried to kiss you. You got to be into it. That's take number 12. God damn it, Jeffrey. God damn it. Do you need a Coke? Do you need a wine? I need you most stressed out. You don't seem like a guy in jail. A guy who hasn't been sleeping well. He seems pretty well rested. Yeah, so my whole life is bad right now. [29:17] They're bringing me in. Some guy tried to kiss me. It's kind of a bummer. Cut! [29:21] What? That wasn't good? Alright, let me try it again. [29:26] The best intelligence organizations that can overthrow foreign governments would probably have a plan if they wanted to get the guy out. [29:36] and pretend that somebody else died in his place. [29:39] It's been from the beginning of time, no? Yeah. From the beginning of time. From the beginning of time. Well, especially with, like, modern stuff. Because you can... With modern masks... Like, remember the tall Biden? There's not a chance in hell that was Biden. I... [29:56] I feel so redeemed. My wife used to get so mad at me, so mad at me. My kids would get so mad at me. And I would I would say it everywhere. I'd sit on stage. I'd say in social media. I go, I don't care what you say. That is not Joe Biden. You know, there was also that in the files, too. They were call me crazy. And now all of a sudden, they're like, oh, no, he was he was executed.

[30:19] Isn't that what they said? Yeah, that seems sus. Bro, I went down that rabbit hole. There's a lot of those emails are just emails, right? First of all, Epstein's dealing with prostitutes, people that are willing to get prostitutes. He's dealing with a lot of criminals and weirdos, and a lot of those people are probably full of shit, right? So just because somebody writes something in an email doesn't mean it's a fact. However, when you see the video of tall Biden, pull out tall Biden. Come on, man. [30:49] He grew. He grew and then he went back. They might have put him on some shit and then he shrunk back down again. And his eye color would change. This one, right? Yes, that one. Look at the difference. He's like 6'9". Look at it. That's a robot. Send out the robot. You got a video of him walking out there? Because when he walks, look how long his fucking legs are. Look how tall he is. This is absolutely insane. Who's watching this going, yeah, now that's the same guy. [31:19] Not only is he taller, but he moves better. He's more relaxed when he moves. [31:25] It was – Joe. It's like a guy doing an impression of Joe Biden. Yes. Look at his – [31:31] But look how long this guy's legs are. This is what's crazy. But rewind that again, please. [31:37] I'm sorry. [31:39] Here it is. It's good. It's starting from the beginning. But it's good. It's right there. It's good. Just play it. Yeah. It's starting from the... So here's when he walks out. Look at how long his leg... This guy's a basketball player. He can dunk. Look how tall he is. First president can dunk. I mean, just... Stop. Pause it right there, please. Right there. Pause it. Pause it. Just the physical frame. Yep. When you look at the length of his legs, that's extraordinary. That's not like Jeffrey Epstein's prostate or testicles. No. These are a whole different...

[32:09] man. [32:10] Like there's no way that's a short man. There's no way that's a normal – like what was – how tall was Joe Biden supposedly? [32:18] Six feet? Six one maybe? [32:21] How tall was he supposed to be? The real Joe Biden. [32:25] Tall was Joe Biden. The pre-2019. I said was like he's dead. I'm saying he's dead. [32:32] I'm saying he's long gone wherever he is. Six feet. Okay. I'm putting it out there. Go back again. Six feet tall. [32:37] Six feet is on the tall-ish side. That guy is taller than six feet. That is a tall man. Look at the proportions from his legs to the width of his shoulders, the length of his legs. That's a very tall man. Who's the casting director for this? Just being charitable, that's a three inches taller man at least. Maybe the other Joe Biden got sick that day. His wife died. That actor died. [33:07] Joe Biden quick. And then this one showed up like, oh, my God, just forget it. Well, here's everything. Send them out. If you have a guy who's the president and he's known to be of poor health, there's probably going to be times where he's supposed to make a public appearance. That's not that important, but it's important to just show his face. Well, you got to, like, keep him in a hospital bed somewhere. [33:27] So you get a guy and you put the mask on him. Did you ever see The Walk? [33:30] the [33:31] the [33:32] The walk? Yeah, his shuffle. That guy doesn't walk like that. That guy walks like an athlete. [33:37] It's a robot. Wait a minute. What? He looks like a robot. No, he looks like a guy with bad knees and a bad back. Bad back. You think it's a robot? I'm taking... I don't know what it is.

[33:48] No, it's an old man who can't walk good. I'm putting my chips in. Do you think you can program a robot to walk like an old man? [33:55] It didn't look like an robot. Get the video. Jim, the robots are not that good yet. Trust me. I'm friends with Elon. The robots, they're good, but they look like robots. They don't look like humans yet. You put a little suit and jacket on them, put them up, and you just videotaped for three seconds. No, why would you do that? Three seconds. It's a guy. It's a guy. [34:16] All right, no, I agree. This one's a guy. But there's other ones from like... What is this one, Jamie? Same one? That's the same one. Is this a better version of it? I was just replaying it. Okay. No, that's not a robot. That's a guy. There's ones where he's walking on the lawn and his legs... Like, what does he do with his legs? It's crazy looking. Jim, like neurologists have looked at this. He walks like a guy with dementia. That's how they walk. My dad had dementia. He didn't walk anything like that guy. Not all people with dementia walk like that, but it's typical of the way people walk when [34:46] have control of their body anymore. He fell down a lot. The bicycle went down. I got it. It's a lot of things. He fell down walking upstairs. Remember? Yeah, I remember. Three times. I remember. [34:59] I you think it's a robot. I didn't say it's a hundred percent robot. I'm saying I will put my chips in. I'm at the poker table and like you're really going in all in that that was not Joe Biden. I'm going all in. [35:14] That's not Joe Biden. I'm going to show you. Never was. Okay. From 2020 on, it never was. I don't think this is a productive line of conversation. That's just me.

[35:23] I get it. You're going to watch this show. Yeah, watch this one. [35:27] Yeah, but he's walking in sand, and he's old as fuck, dude. [35:32] He's walking in sand. I get it. If I walk in sand and I'm drunk, I look just like that. [35:39] He's had a lot of blood thinners there. Maybe they got to his head. I don't know. He's got a stint. I just, Jamie, I'm going to send you something. This is state of the art right now when it comes to robots, and it's pretty fucking good, man. Pretty fucking good. But it's not that. [35:56] These are robots that can actually do martial arts. It's very impressive. I feel like I just saw something like this. It was frightening. [36:02] China. Yeah, it's from China. So go full screen on this. This is really interesting. So you've got these kids, they get out there and... [36:11] these robots do martial arts with them. Like, look at this. [36:15] It's really wild, man. [36:18] I mean, it's pretty human. Now. It's movements. [36:22] If they had suit and ties on, they can pass for a president. Not yet. Not yet. But look at these things. They can do backflips. [36:30] Like, this is crazy. They do wheel kicks. [36:33] Come on. It's really nuts, man. [36:35] So just imagine these things with fucking ARs just running into buildings, gunning people down. [36:42] Because that's what's coming. Bro, there's a place they're going to be bulletproof. They're going to have night vision, heat vision, insane hearing. [36:50] There's a place in Florida, bro, out in the Everglades. It's like this farmland. You never see anyone there.

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[38:55] You can buy them now? Yeah, you can buy those robots. [38:57] Yeah, Les was telling me about it. I think I want one. Lex Friedman, he actually works with robotics. He was an artificial intelligence engineer before he ever started doing podcasts. [39:12] You're like the movie The Fifth Element when the chick... [39:17] When the chick came and she got all the information, like, who's... [39:21] I'm always fascinated. You have so much information. [39:25] like brilliant insight information. [39:28] Who's left? [39:30] on your list where you're like, I got to... [39:33] I want to look at – I need to speak with so-and-so. Oh, there's a ton of people. There's always new – you know, like I get a list of – every week, multiple days a week, I get a list of potential guests. And so I go over the list, and a lot of it are scientists. A lot of it is like people that are doing groundbreaking research on like neurodevelopment, genetics. [40:03] that are working on, you know, just bizarre theories, uh, [40:09] It's – there's always someone that's working on some very high level of some esoteric line of some kind of discipline that I've got very little information about. There's always interesting people. That blows my mind.

[40:28] It blows my mind. I try talking to anyone, even some of the words, I'm not educated very well. They start saying certain words, and I'm just, I'm already. I'm not formally educated very well. I mean, I only went to college for three years, and I was barely paying attention. [40:42] I never paid attention. I was only going to college so that people didn't think I was a loser. Really? Yeah, I was doing it while I was fighting, and then I was doing it for a little bit while still doing stand-up. But I was only doing it so that no one thought I was a loser. [40:53] Really? Yeah. Is that like a home thing? No, it was where I grew up. Everybody was going to college. I went to school at a really good high school, Newton South in Massachusetts, and a lot of the kids were real ambitious and wanted to go to college and get degrees. And I did not want to have a job. I was like, what am I doing? I was like very feral. And at the time, all I wanted to do was compete. I was just doing martial arts tournaments all the time. [41:23] that, you know, so I was like, what am I, what's my career going to be? Like, what am I doing? So this is weird period. So I said, let me just go to college so that no one thinks I'm a loser. So I took a year off school. [41:34] So I graduated at 17, so for the next year, I didn't go to school at all. I just trained. I don't know the story. So when did you go – [41:45] I'm going to start doing stand-up. When I was 21. [41:48] Wow. And did you have that desire before then? Not really. [41:54] No, I was a fan of stand-up. I love stand-up. I was talked into doing it by my friend Steve. He's a good buddy of mine, Steve Graham.

[42:01] Because I would make people laugh in the locker room. It was like he was a guy I did Taekwondo with. [42:05] And another good friend, Ed Shorter, same thing. Ed and Steve were two guys who I was real tight with that I would make fun of everybody. We were always just joking around. And I wanted a lot of attention. I was young. We all did. Yeah. I did. So that's how – and then I went to an open mic night and I realized, oh, these people are all – they suck. They're beginners. Like, oh, you can be a beginner. And then I thought about it just like martial arts. If you just work at it, you can get better at it. [42:35] figure out what it is about you. I was like, this is fascinating. It was like a whole new puzzle. But I didn't know if I could ever do it for a living. I was really so confused when I was 21 because I had really kind of decided to stop fighting all the time. [42:49] and I was still doing it a little bit, but I had like one foot in and one foot out, which is not good. And then I didn't have any prospects. Like what am I going to – I'm already 21. Like I should have already graduated from college by now or be close or getting ready to work on a master's. I should be doing something like a lot of the people that I went to high school with, or I should have a trade like a lot of my buddies that went into carpentry or electricity. I didn't have a career other than teaching. [43:19] Within a couple of years... [43:20] Because you and I both fairly quickly started getting in good positions. Because if you were 21, I'm going to say by –

[43:31] 25, 26, you're on hardball? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, we were really young. Crazy. Crazy lucky. Fast that happened. Yeah, it happened stupid fast. It happened stupid fast and it was stupid lucky. Yeah. [43:48] Because I didn't have any aspirations to ever be on TV. There was no part of me that wanted to be an actor on TV. Zero. It was never an ambition. [43:56] at all, which probably helped me. [43:58] Because when I went in and, you know, talked to the people and did auditions and shit, it wasn't like, oh, my God, this is my dream. It was like, so what do you guys want me to do? Okay. Yeah, I can play a baseball player. Okay. And they just love the fact that I was, you know, I had a background in athletics. I knew a lot about sports. [44:17] You also would. [44:18] MURDER like none other. [44:22] at the Laugh Factory. You would go up, and I remember the Disney executives, because that's who did that. I remember them sitting in the back watching you. You did the... [44:35] The lions, whatever. The tigers mating, and it would just... [44:41] The police would lose their shit. It was captivating. Watch. It was howling funny. And I'll never forget just looking at the executives. And I don't remember their name. I just remember he had a mustache. He had a dark mustache, dark hair. He's from Colorado. He was like, oh, my God. Joe is just so goddamn fun. I can't take it. I mean, wow, that's pretty awesome.

[45:11] In that short period of time, I wish I had – no, I won't say I wish I had your mentality then. I have it now. [45:19] Meaning, back then, I had the desire, like, I'm going to start buying satin clothes. I'm going to start getting nice clothes. [45:32] Satin clothes is hilarious. The first time I went out there, I bought satin blue pants and satin blue. I was like, I'm going to be in Hollywood. I was so retarded. So retarded. Well, but you had this whole other... [45:49] Some – [45:49] hotel and you were just so... [45:52] You're like, yeah, I'm going to go play pool and work out. I'm like, what? No. I'm looking for rock stars and actors on Melrose. And you're like, yeah, well, I'm not doing that. I'm going to the gym and I'm like, you're going to miss out. [46:08] But I really admired... [46:14] I loved and I admired... [46:17] that about you so much. Oh, thanks. But I was never interested in Hollywood stuff. It just was not that interesting to me to be around a bunch of famous people and feel weird. [46:27] I was like, I'd just rather be around normal people. I'd rather play bull. I'd rather go to the gym. [46:31] I was like that until I was around. [46:34] Famous people. And then you're like, "Oh, okay." "This is uncomfortable." "I want to go home." "I'm going to go back home." "Oh, I tried to move back to New York. I would have moved back to New York, except I had a lease. I had a lease on an apartment. When Hardball got canceled, I was ready to go back to New York. I was like, "Fuck this place. This is too uncomfortable for me." And again, I never had any aspirations to be famous. I definitely didn't have any aspirations to act.

[46:59] It was just money. [47:00] They gave me a lot of money to be on a sitcom. And I was like, okay. I just couldn't believe how much money you could get in a week. Like, this is crazy. It was crazy. Yeah. It was like more money than I made in a year and I could make it in a week. I was like, this is nuts. Especially because I went from broke to being on a sitcom. [47:17] Yeah. I remember those same things. You're not making any money. And then all of a sudden, you're like, here, you're going $25,000 to $50,000 a week. You just come and camera block here and there. You don't even have to be the star. It was bananas. [47:47] days and it's not what I like to do the most. So it was like, you know, it's great, but you can get sucked into that velvet prison and then, you know, you'd be like, I'd be talking to my friends and be like, yeah, I just did a week in Florida. It was fucking awesome. Went in there on Wednesday and I was realizing like these guys are selling out on the road and they're traveling all the time. They're having all this fun. I'm like, they're doing what I wanted to do, which was like stand up. [48:15] like on the road. I was only doing like small sets in town. I was only doing like 15 minutes at the Laugh Factory, 15 minutes at the store. You know, it's like the real comedy was like headlining, doing an hour, really developing your act.

[48:29] Right. And it was like I enjoyed doing news radio, but I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed being around comics, doing sets, being at the clubs, laughing all the time. It's like a different kind of people. The actor people were all worried about what the other actor people were doing. They were all worried about like like what rating we were, what number we were in the ratings. Correct. Yes. And that's all they would talk about. [48:59] how we were on whatever night we were on. We moved like nine times over five years. And back then there was no internet. So you couldn't tell people that you're not on Monday night anymore. You're not on whatever it was. And so they were all bitching and getting pissed because Sex and the City was on this time slot and the single guy was in this time slot. And if we were there, we'd be number two or whatever. Right. And I was like, guys, last time I checked... [49:25] We're on TV. Yeah. Like this is a dream. Yeah, we're not number one, but we have a funny show and we're on TV. Just fucking enjoy the ride. Yeah. And it was a great show. [49:36] It was a lot of fun. It was a great show. It did well. But yeah, that world just never ends. But it was just so lucky to get it so quick. I was on news radio six years into doing stand-up. Yeah. And it didn't make any sense to me. But it's also why I wasn't nervous about it. It was like it seemed so normal to me. Like, okay, this is a job I'm doing. But it was because I didn't want to do it. Not that I didn't want to do it, but because it wasn't like my ultimate dream. Well, that made me laugh.

[50:06] later, and I don't know if it was... [50:09] If it was a fear factor, whatever. And someone snarkily, like in a snarky way, we're like, why would you take this? And you're like, because they're paying me fucking retarded money. [50:20] they offered fucking retarded money like you wouldn't do this for whatever the episode. And I just it made me laugh. So it's just. [50:28] You gave the real answer. [50:30] If I offered you... [50:32] whatever program I'm going to offer you, I don't know, 20 million for two years, you're going to go, I'm not doing that. [50:40] That's ridiculous. Why would I use, why would I leave my sanitation job to? Money equals freedom. And that's what people need to understand. Like if you can make a pile of money, you get fuck you money. And then the key is don't be chasing fuck your mother and fuck your family and fuck the world money. Stick with fuck you money, but just make sure you say fuck you. So make sure you don't do things you don't want to do. [51:10] to be canceled immediately. [51:12] I was like it was I was in a development deal with NBC and they they sent me this thing. And I was like, what the fuck is this? They're going to stick dogs on people like I was laughing. I'm pretty sure I was stoned when I first got the pitch. Yeah. And I read I go, this is hilarious. And I don't know if my manager even wanted me to do it. [51:32] I don't remember. I think they probably wanted me to hold out for a sitcom. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? This is hilarious. Let me meet with them.

[51:41] They didn't like me at first because I came in and was making fun of it. [51:47] And they thought it should be scary because this was fear factor. Right. And I was just joking. Like I came into the meeting. I was probably stoned. I came into the meeting and I was just cracking jokes about everything and laughing. And they didn't. But then David Hurwitz, who's a friend of mine, who was one of the producers on the show, he's like, no, no, no, no. Look, the whole world's going to be laughing at us. Yes. It's way better if the host is laughing. Yes. It's way better. Yes. Like let's just try it. [52:17] They were going to go with like a sportscaster or something. You know what I mean? Here we are in fear factor. Fear is not a factor for you. Bottom of the ninth. Maggie from Wisconsin is going to get in the tank. Yeah. [52:33] That's awesome. Yeah. So it was just luck. A lot of luck, man. A lot of weird luck. I've had a lot of weird luck my whole life. Even coming here is weird luck. Even opening up the club, weird luck. Why do you say that? Because a lot of things have to happen. In order for this club to exist, right, a lot of things have to happen. First of all, the COVID thing has to happen, right? And it has to happen in California where they have very restrictive laws and everything gets locked down. And we can't perform for like – I think the store was shut for a year and a half, man. [53:03] Are you serious? Yeah. California was nuts with COVID. But over here... [53:08] Like, [53:09] Almost immediately you could do shows. Like we were – the Cap City was doing shows and they had people separated before they went under –

[53:17] They just had the tables moved like six feet apart, which was retarded. It didn't mean anything. And then when we started doing shows at the Vulcan, that was in like November of 2020. So that was pretty soon after, you know, the rest of the world was still like completely – like California and New York were still completely restrictive. And Texas was pretty wide open. And so I have to – [53:43] have the kind of money that Spotify gave me. And then I have to be so dumb that I'm in the middle of this giant deal. I'm like, I'm just going to move to Texas, which they were like, what are you doing? Like, you need to be in LA. That's where your studio is. That's where the guests are. And I was like, I'm flying like at least two or three people a week out to Los Angeles. I bet I could get them to fly to Texas. Yeah. [54:06] But it was a dumb gamble. It's like it's not a smart move. So it has to be like the Spotify money. It has to be everything closed down. And then it has to be the store closed down because the store closed down allowed me to get guys like Adam Eaget and, you know, and from the store. Yeah. All the people that worked at the store came to work for me. That's like one of the big secrets. Jody, the managers, like a lot of the people that are at the mothership came from the store and they were unemployed. Right. [54:34] Yeah, but I wouldn't take it – I like your approach as luck. No, but it has to be some luck. It all lined up. Otherwise, it doesn't happen because if there's no luck, then – if there's no COVID lockdown, then all these comics aren't willing to move here. Correct. Tony Hinchcliffe, Tom Segura, Christina Pazitsky, Brian Simpson, everybody moved here. Right. So the only reason why anybody would move here is because California is locked down.

[55:04] Why the fuck would I go here? Right. Yeah. So it had to be like a place where you could go. And, you know, and then... [55:09] you have to have the resources to do something like that. So that has to be like the Spotify thing. Like it's like so many things have to fall into place where it's, [55:18] That kind of a gamble makes sense. Mm-hmm. [55:22] It's a lot of luck, man. It's a lot of luck, but it's also a lot of decision-making and a lot of... [55:30] You're very thoughtful and the walk that you walk creates an energy and it's a very powerful movement. [55:42] It's very inspiring, and I do believe in that stuff. Like the way you've walked most of the life that I've known you has been – you're probably – [55:53] You inspired me so much years and years ago. You came on my radio show, and you literally started talking. [56:01] And you called in. And I remember I just told everyone, just be quiet. Just be quiet and let him go. And just I knew at that moment. [56:10] you are going to be changing... [56:13] Thank you. [56:14] like culture, if that makes sense. You went into this deep conversation about we are shifting in humanity. And basically you said we're either going to – [56:29] live for truth [56:32] Or you're going to be a liar, like leech type thing. It was very powerful. And I think eventually I was like, put Pink Floyd behind it. Put that on the internet. There's a clip of that. It is one of the most – because I wanted the world.

[56:48] to hear what you said. It was such a, like no other pastor could say, no one could say it the way you said it. So, [56:56] Yes, it is all luck, but I do believe... [57:00] that presence that you put out and that energy it's, it's trusted, right? [57:05] And it's a force that opens doors without even you knowing it because it is all for the good in my belief of it. [57:16] But anyway, that's my little compliment for you, Joseph. That's very kind of you. Well, you inspired me too, dude. Because when we first started working together, one of the worst times I ever bombed, ever, was I was headlining when I really shouldn't have been headlining. I really didn't have an hour. And you and I did a weekend together somewhere like West Nyack, New York or something like that. Somewhere yucky, like a Holiday Inn thing. But I did okay every show except the late show Saturday night. [57:46] You murdered. I do. You murdered. And I remember being so nervous. I was so nervous. And I went on stage nervous, and I just ate a dick. And I remember it was like one of the worst bombings I've ever had in my life. And I remember thinking at the time, boy, I got to correct something. First of all, I can never go on stage that nervous again. I was like, what was wrong? What was wrong was instead of laughing at you and going on stage having a good time, I was nervous about my own performance, which is like a self-defeating mentality. [58:16] Yeah, and I had to realize that

[58:18] Which is also one of the reasons, like, it really – my stand-up bumped up a lot after that weekend. It really did because I really worked on it hard because the bombing was bad. Bombing is bad. But this was a bad one. I was supposed to do 45. I bailed at 35. I got in trouble. I was eating dick. Dude, I was eating dick. It was horrible. [58:37] The same thing happened when I would take Joey on the road with me. And the reason why I would take Joey on the road with me is because he was so hard to follow. So – [58:47] I said, okay. I thought of it just like training partner. Yes. Like you don't want to spar with a guy who sucks. You want to spar with a guy who's better than you so that you can get to his level. Yes. And so with Joey, Joey was so loose and so free and he was so silly. And I was more rigid and I tried to do more set up punchline stuff. But I was only whatever, eight, nine years in, whatever it was. I was still trying to like figure it out. And Joey had a rhythm to him. [59:17] loose and I'm like [59:19] This is going to help me. Let me just take this guy on the road with me. First of all, he's the best guy to hang out with. He's so much fun. He seems like I love him to death. I never got to hang out with him. You never hung out with Joey? I've only got to see him on here and some other places. He's the best. He's so – everybody's like – he's so fun. Like when you're around him, it's all hugs and laughs, and he's the party. You bring Joey anywhere, the party's with Joey. When we'd go to dinner, we'd have as much fun at dinner as we would at the show.

[59:49] entertainment well he's just a great social engineer like he would like the he would like fucking be the the maestro that would get everybody going we would be laughing and then we'd go to the show be have a good time and i learned to laugh at him because he'd be murdering and i'd learn to take that momentum of laughing at him and carry it into the energy of my performance yes so it was [1:00:19] going on before them to suck so they look like a hero yeah no i don't want that there's a lot of people out there rocking that fucking i like i like what you said i like a guy hitting hard yeah and then the nights like even i have i have uh brian mckenna opening for me right now and there's nights like i think we're in louisiana and i was like oh shoot i gotta get up like what is he doing and that makes me go oh all right i gotta stay crystal clear like i've got to bring it to [1:00:49] if someone makes me work. Well, it's not just that. It's also that the crowd gets their money's worth. Yes. A bunch of people came out to see you. Like, I've gone to see friends that are really good comics that I really love, and then I go to see them, and they have an opening act. I'm like, Jesus Christ. I've got to go to the bathroom. I've got to go sit outside for 20 minutes and wait for this to stop. To end. That's a bad place to be, whether it's your buddy or not. They do it because they want a light opener.

[1:01:19] Ron White's open about it. He talks about, you do better than me, you're getting fired. [1:01:28] He doesn't give a fuck. I love Ron to death. [1:01:33] He's still out here, no? Yeah, he's out here. He's at the club all the time. He's there tonight. Or tomorrow night, rather. Ron's the best. He's the best. He's another reason why I came here. Because he was already here. Ron moved here before the pandemic. Oh, wow. [1:01:49] 2018 or 19, somewhere around then. And I was like, well, he had a place in Beverly Hills that he kept still, so he'd come back and forth. But he was like, I love Austin. You never have to leave. If I'm going to want to fly anywhere, it's the middle of the country. The people are nice. The food's great. And I was like, can I live there? No. That's what my thought was like. I can't live there. Ron is the type of guy too that – [1:02:12] He doesn't realize... [1:02:15] how good he is and how popular he is sometimes. He literally... [1:02:19] Don't ask me why he called me. [1:02:22] I have no, oh, I remember it was some bizarre connection. He's like, hey, Jim, I keep getting asked to play in London. [1:02:32] And I went, oh, you will murder, murder in London. He's like, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I'm like, Ron? [1:02:44] If you were to play Scotland... [1:02:46] England, Ireland, you're going to have a whole new, you're going to murder. He's like, I don't know if they were. Please, I'm begging you, at least just take the gig. Please just take the gig. And this was a couple of years ago, and apparently he did do it. I was like, did you? He's like, murder. Of course you did. Yeah. Especially his style. He's funny. He's very humble, though.

[1:03:11] Ron is very humble. Yeah. [1:03:13] He's a, you know. [1:03:15] He's a great guy. He's the best. Well, that's why I like to come in here the first time. [1:03:21] What I like about here is I reached a point where I have my following. I have my crowd. And if I'm working out stuff, even if it's in an hour, they're going to be patient with me because they like me and they've been on my journey. But if I were to go into... [1:03:37] A club... [1:03:38] and do 15 minutes, a lot of them don't know me. And I remember the first time I came here, I didn't want to go on stage. I used to go on stage. I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, I'm going on stage. Wow. It was like, okay. Yeah. I'm not, wow. Seven more minutes. Okay. I didn't even finish my setup yet. This made me. [1:04:02] This place made me want to start working harder again and go, hey, man, you got to put the gloves on. Not that I had any lack of confidence involved. [1:04:11] of what I put out there for an hour. But those short little 15-minute when they see everybody, it doesn't matter. It's an even playing field. It's pretty awesome. It was great. That was great about the store, too. Like you'd get a night where you had like seven, eight national headliners in a row. [1:04:29] I saw that one, and they don't care after a while. It's bringing the funny. I saw... [1:04:34] Well, [1:04:36] Someone from a huge sitcom go on stage, plays, loses their mind. Even I was a little like, oh, wow. Oh, wow. And about...

[1:04:47] They did the shtick of their character... [1:04:49] and about five minutes in they were like [1:04:53] okay, we're done. You're going to tell jokes or you're just going to be the TV guy. And it's like they've seen everything. You've got to come with the goods. You've got to work it. TV guy thing, we used to see that all the time in L.A. too. Well, that's what led to Kramer. Yeah. [1:05:07] meltdown. Well, that's who it was. Yeah! I didn't want to say it. But he first walked up, I was like, oh, dude. I know. And he would fall down. And then after about five, seven minutes, [1:05:23] And this one was at the improv, and I'm watching, and I'm like, oh, wow. [1:05:27] "Oh wow, he don't have material, he's just..." [1:05:29] Wow. Which is crazy. They turned on him. Quick. Imagine thinking that you could do 15 minutes with no material. I just don't understand. Comics make it look easy. You know how many people go – how many people have you met that go, you know what? You inspired. I'm going to start doing stand-up. Okay. Some of them are like, please don't. Yeah, like, okay. I still get – I'm starting next. Here's my friend. They'll send me a set of their first set. [1:05:59] It's like we just walk up and just wing it. Well, it's also a guy's used to performing in front of a live audience when he does a sitcom and everybody loves him. And if he could make people laugh for a minute, he thinks he could probably make people laugh for multiple minutes. Right. Just keep it going. Just do the same thing for 15 minutes. And the little side of us are just back then. I root for everyone, but when those guys walk off, they're like, go down, right? John, go. How does that feel? There's nothing more. Well, we don't like anybody that's half-stepping, right? No.

[1:06:29] not really doing it. You're just taking up 15 minutes from someone that could be doing it. Correct. I used to... [1:06:38] Do you know Neil Brent? Not Neil. Kevin? No, I don't know Kevin very well. I've met him, I'm sure. I remember him doing sets in New York back in the day. Kevin would get so pissed because he's a famous guitar player. [1:06:54] Oh, my God. John Mayer? Yes, John. [1:06:59] So Kevin would come in. He'd come in to the radio and be like, he's going up. [1:07:04] He's doing fucking 20 minutes. [1:07:07] And he sucks. I can't go to Madison Square Garden and go give me the guitar for 20 minutes. It's my fucking time. Since comics would get really edgy. They didn't care who you were. They'd go in. I'd love to listen. He would rant and I would howl. [1:07:24] Of course, I prodded the tiger once in a while when he started going. [1:07:31] Fucking crazy. [1:07:34] Fucking John Mayer. All right. I get it. You play. Fucking get off the stage. [1:07:42] Yeah, comics are very territorial about the art form. Extreme. Yeah, like when someone tries to do it that's not a comic, they automatically kind of reject them. [1:07:50] I'm always like, give him a chance. Never know. Never fucking know. Never know. Never know a guy who's been acting but really always wanted to stand up, might have some good ideas, and might really throw themselves into it. It's possible. Why would you assume it's impossible? It's impossible.

[1:08:04] It's possible. It is possible. But the reality in L.A. is a lot of them were doing it because the whole casting thing had dried up for them, right? So they weren't getting brought into shows anymore, so they decided to do stand-up, and they would just put together an act together. [1:08:21] Like write an act. Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't what they really loved. So it wasn't what they really threw. It's a paycheck. Yeah. It's a little paycheck to get them by. It was a career decision. It was like pivoting, you know? Yeah. [1:08:34] I know a couple guys like that. Yeah. Sitcom or a sketch show or even like an SNL character. He didn't do stand-up and now they'll tour and try to do whatever. [1:08:45] So here's an interesting thing I should tell you because you know this person. Okay. Um... [1:08:51] I actually made up with Mark Maron the other day. [1:08:55] We actually had, I had to help him with something. [1:09:00] I had to inform him about something. [1:09:02] And he sent me a very sincere message of thank you. [1:09:06] And then I sent him a message back that was sincere. And I said, look, I'm not your enemy. I'm sure if we saw – despite our differences, I'm sure if we saw each other, within a few minutes we'd be laughing and smiling, which is generally how I interacted with him for the most part. I had only a few bad interactions with him. And he was pretty honest about how maybe it's his own mind. [1:09:30] But it was a very sincere interaction, which made me happy.

[1:09:36] No, it's really not. It's not good. I've had... [1:09:40] Maybe two or three. [1:09:42] um... [1:09:43] that have, [1:09:45] vocally put out on... Because I... [1:09:48] I'm not into the Twitter... [1:09:51] insulting or going on other programs insulting. [1:09:55] If you have an issue, [1:09:56] Tell me. [1:09:57] Right. And then we'll deal with it the way... Right. Call me up. ...real humans do it. Yeah. [1:10:04] And... [1:10:05] When... [1:10:07] That whole thing, I have a funny feeling. [1:10:11] Some of his issues were, but I felt – and I put it out there. I felt bad because for years I didn't have great – when I started – listen, I'm not poo-pooing or whatever. But yeah, a lot of guys didn't like me. They were like, who's this animated, loud-mouthed kid coming in here, confident, blah, blah, blah. And he would always kind of like – [1:10:31] I'll never forget. He'd be like, you're going to woo him? You're going to woo him tonight? He was trying to sabotage you. Without a doubt. It was a competition thing. Without a doubt. And I understood that because I'm still back then. You made a whole video about it. Correct. Yeah, I saw that video. And so as we went on, I actually – [1:10:48] was so happy for him. [1:10:50] once he got WTF because you saw like wow he's he became a different person and he found his niche and he became friendly correct easy to be around yeah he was all he was so his podcast was killing it and then he had a show on the IFC yes he was doing great he was way easier to hang around with he was incredible because all the angst had been removed and he'd been he'd become a made man

[1:11:14] Right? [1:11:14] Made man. Yeah. And when you become legit, who cares who else is? Exactly. Exactly. But then when things go south, then it's hard to maintain that same mindset. It's very easy for me to say, oh, just relax. And who cares? Everybody should be happy that all these people are doing well. But if you're not doing well, that jealousy is a natural thing. I've experienced it before. I've experienced it. I know the feeling. I've experienced it for brief moments before. [1:11:44] more. [1:11:45] Even like eight, nine years ago maybe even, it's like there's moments where someone's really killing it. You're like, oh, what the fuck? [1:11:55] But then I realized in my head like, God, that's a bitch-ass way of thinking. Don't hold on to that. No. No. [1:12:00] We're on our own journey. This is our world. But also, that same feeling can instead be inspiration. Like when you and I worked together and I bombed, [1:12:10] One of the things that inspired me was not just I got to get better because I bombed, but you murdered. You had that bit about coming home drunk. Coming home wasted. And your mother was – Turned into a demon. Yeah, it was a great bit. A demon with all the time. It was so animated and big. And it didn't make me hate you. I loved you. We were great friends. I was like, that is so good. And it just made me want to get better. So that same feeling that can turn you like this. Oh, you're going to do woo-woo? [1:12:40] do you bullshit instead i was like fuck jim you're killing it man that's awesome yes i just i i come from a different world and my world requires other people around you to be as good or better than you the martial arts world like when i was a four-time state champion and i was doing i wasn't necessarily the best guy in the gym there's guys in the gym who are better than me yeah always there was other guys that were also state champions some of them were national champions they were better than me

[1:13:10] Because I was around those people training hard all the time, that's why I got so good. It was because I was around people as good, if not better than me, all the time that it elevated my level. So I felt the same way about stand-up. [1:13:25] You need those people that make you feel uncomfortable. They make you feel like, fuck, I got to go to work. Yes. [1:13:33] Whether it's him or whoever, it doesn't even have to be the comedy world. It's just the world in general. [1:13:40] It's not that sad. I wish sometimes people in those positions, no matter how successful you are and whatever you define as success, if someone else is starting to kill it somewhere, keep your eyes off that. [1:13:55] This summer, the Cup is taking over the U.S., and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. Follow every group stage upset, every knockout round thriller, every stoppage time moment that flips the whole tournament. Sweat all the big matches you love in real time with a seamless experience built for the world's biggest stage. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app. [1:14:25] Sign up with CodeRogan. Spend $5 to get $200 in rewards within 21 days. That's CodeRogan in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours.

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[1:16:39] If you wouldn't, then you would never be me in the first place. So what are you worried about? We're different human beings. Correct. The point is – [1:16:46] I understand those feelings. I do. I understand those feelings of anger and this feeling of jealousy, of resentment. It is absolutely normal, but it is a bitch ass way to think. And I've thought those ways. I've had bitch ass thinking in my life. I 100 percent. So I get it. I understand it. [1:17:05] It's normal. But what these people need to hear that I needed to learn myself – [1:17:11] is that that [1:17:13] Not only does not help you, it hurts you, but the same exact experience can instead be inspiring to you and that will help you. And you're going to be uncomfortable with comparing yourself to someone who's better than you. [1:17:28] Uncomfortable feeling is what leads to growth. It's really important. It's good. It's good for you. But what's not good for you is to try to dismiss that person and shit on that person. Like, even if someone's doing something that I don't like, I don't like their style. So what? I don't care. There's a lot of music. Look, I have teenage girls. When they listen to music, they love it. I don't like it. But it doesn't mean it's not good. They fucking love it. They love it. There's a lot of guys that are into jazz. I don't like it. [1:17:58] I don't like it. But it doesn't mean it's bad. It's great for some people. It's like everybody has a thing that you're into and everybody has a different style. So if someone's doing something that you don't enjoy, you don't have to hate them. That's not beneficial to you. It doesn't help you at all.

[1:18:18] I could sum what you said by you can have your bitch-ass feelings. Just don't have your bitch-ass feelings. [1:18:26] emotions and act on don't act bitch ass just don't act but just that's when you start having issues when you put it out in the universe because it's still inside you which we all have it yes it's when you put it out there now it's out there now everyone looks at you a whole different i've i've done that [1:18:46] multiple times. I'm never proud of it. Always feel horrible. Exactly. Never tour it always within family or friends or so. Never. I try not to put it out in the world in the world with names of people because I don't have any qualms. It feels horrible. You feel proud of yourself. No, I feel like a little... [1:19:06] punk bitch. Yes. I just did that. I know. I thought I was mature. You gave into those bitch ass feelings. I thought I was mature. It's normal. [1:19:16] Like, I remember... [1:19:18] someone was telling me that Chris Rock was selling out everywhere after the Will Smith thing. And I swear to God, for like... [1:19:26] couple of seconds I was like oh what the he's selling out and instantly all these arenas it takes me a couple of days we get it like it's so stupid so dumb like he was the hot ticket because everybody wanted to see him but it was only for a few seconds and then I was like what the fuck is wrong with you yeah who you you fucking silly bitch yeah such a dumb way to think but the problem is

[1:19:52] And then the other thing is they think that they're going to diminish that by attacking you. But what they don't understand is when you do that publicly – [1:20:01] the heat comes for you because now you've you've set the game in motion now you started moving pieces around the board and then people are starting to move pieces against you and that's the i i felt that even at a time where i felt it was necessary look the whole carlos mencia thing i said that to my friends afterwards i said i don't think i'll ever do anything like that again because just the negative [1:20:28] Even if it was only 10% of the people that were negative, 90% were positive, that 10% is just not a good feeling. It's a terrible feeling. It's not good, even though I thought that was a necessary thing to do because I – [1:20:41] Not just him, but I wanted to expose the way the business was treating that, where they were profiting off of it and openly covering it, and they knew about it, and they thought it was just business. That wasn't what my agent said to me. It's just business. [1:20:55] I remember a phone call we had. [1:21:00] somewhat after that, and I remember you telling me your agency dropped you. [1:21:08] They dropped you. That's – [1:21:11] I'm not crazy for thinking that, right? No, they dropped me. But what they said was that I had to apologize to him or they couldn't work with me anymore. And I said, listen, then if just you bringing that up, our relationship is over. Done. I said, just because you want to do it. And they said, it's just business. I go, you're making a decision that will affect you for the rest of your life. I go, because you're siding with a vampire. Right. You sell art. It's all you sell. All you guys are is a comedy agency, right? You sell art.

[1:21:41] from other artists like this is bad for you everyone's gonna know so louis left them after that louis came up to meet the improv asked me if that was true i said yes he goes okay i'm leaving them atel uh nick swartzen a bunch of people did so it was it wasn't like i was right but it was also but the negative feeling of the the people angry at me for it was like so gross it's like you you put that out there in the world it's a giant distraction it takes away from most of your life [1:22:11] about it all the time. Just not good. At that time, [1:22:15] I understand that. [1:22:17] But also, like, for instance, I that was already out there. [1:22:23] With him? Yeah. And I personally – With comics it was. It was out there with comics and it was out there with him. I personally didn't – [1:22:32] C, in particular. I worked at him maybe once a twice, and I'm not an L.A. guy. [1:22:39] So... [1:22:40] Everyone and their mother. I mean, it was a lot of people that would say that. So when... [1:22:46] The point of... [1:22:48] That happening... [1:22:50] It was such... [1:22:53] justice [1:22:54] in the community and beyond that in the world. Like, can we stop? Can we stop? If you're taking from others, [1:23:04] If you're taking from which I've already dealt with at that point on some other levels, right? [1:23:09] It happened multiple times. People would take and then they... Well, you dealt with it on SNL. Yes. SNL and other areas and... Yeah. And...

[1:23:19] Which whatever, it's all in the past and I'm all good now. So when you deal with that and you're very – I just dealt with buying tickets as another whole deal. So with that said – [1:23:30] It, [1:23:31] It's very freeing. [1:23:33] When you finally put it out there, and not that you want to see someone's career plummet or take a hit, [1:23:41] whatever, but... [1:23:42] But... [1:23:43] it was very refreshing to see that people... [1:23:46] or fans. [1:23:48] Went, oh, we didn't know this because a lot of times fans don't care. How could they know? They wouldn't know, but they don't. And you go, you're still going to show up. And then all of a sudden, it went to a whole different direction. You saw this person struggling here. And then it was... [1:24:07] It's that time we're living in. You set an example for if we're all going to start moving forward, can we just be blatantly honest, whether we're making art or whatever you're doing in your lifetime? Yeah. [1:24:21] Stop stealing. And if you're going to take, give the credit of where you're getting it from. Well, but you can't do that in stand-up. No, you can't do it in stand-up. You have to ask and say, can I buy that bit or something like that. But it's just such a... Nobody wants to sell their bits. You can't even do that. Well, you could hire people to write for you, which is very respectable. I know high-level comics who hire people to help them punch up jokes. Nothing wrong with that. No, and I never knew that either. I never knew that until...

[1:24:50] I remember being in New York and the guy's like, hey, I write with Chris. I'm like, Chris, Chris Ryan. I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah, punch up, stuff like that. And then I would see certain guys, which makes sense because if you're going to hit a certain level – [1:25:04] I mean, you've got to stay. And not saying they're not. People would always say that Chris had writers, but that's not totally true. So what Chris would do was he would come up with all the material, would come up with all the bits, and then he would have guys watch his set, professional guys. And these professional guys would watch his set, and then they would talk about it. They would have feedback on bits. He really worked with Richard Jenney a lot. He was great. Oh, my God, was he good. He taught me the most. [1:25:34] I learned so much from Jenny because he would just take a premise – [1:25:37] And he'd go, and every time you thought he was done milking this premise, he'd show up again 15 minutes later like, oh, my God, we're going another direction with this premise? So good. You've got to be kidding me. He was so thorough. Oh, my God. He would take all – I mean, it was so impressive. Wow. So Jenny's helping – Yes. Wow. Jenny helped rock with Bigger and Blacker. He helped him with – what was the other one that was really Bring the Pain? Yes, the two big monsters.

[1:26:07] all-time comedy specials. They're both in there. Monsters. Monster sets. He's the first guy I saw... [1:26:15] Chris was the very first person I saw. I won a lottery to do open mic at the comic strip. [1:26:21] And I'm going to say I was 19, maybe 19, 20. I didn't know what that was. And I show up to the comic strip and I see Eddie Murphy. I'm like, oh, this is where – because I had that Eddie Murphy album where he had like a little flower. It was from the comic strip. And he had the little – [1:26:39] He did that at the comic strip? Yeah. Really? Yes. It was at the comic strip. Yeah, he did life in the comic strip. That's a great special. Great special. Great album. I bought it on cassette. That's how old it is. I bought it as an album. Bro, how did he stop doing stand-up? There it is. Oh, my God. How did he stop doing stand-up? He was 1982. 1982. [1:27:00] He was so good. Yeah. I was a sophomore in high school back then. Yes, me too. Me too. [1:27:06] But you 58... [1:27:07] Yeah. Yeah. We graduated at the same time. Look at the comic strip. He was so good. When you see him, did you see him do that? He got one of those Mark Twain awards, I believe it was. Yes. And he went and did a set. Yes. He did an impression of Bill Cosby getting his awards taken away from him. No! Yes, it's great. I've got to watch it. I've got to watch that. It's really, Jamie will pull it up. [1:27:30] You go, oh my God, please do stand-up again. Please do stand-up again. Do you remember the bit he did? He goes... [1:27:36] He goes, I guess it was in...

[1:27:40] What was the one with the red leather pants? Raw. Raw. No, no, no. It was purple. Delirious. Delirious. You're right. You're right. He goes, man... [1:27:48] He goes, man, he goes, Bill Cosby called me and he said, you know, the filth and the foul and the filth and the filth. And he goes, I call Richard Pryor. And Richard Pryor said, next time that motherfucker call you, I'm telling him to suck my dick and have a nice pudding on me. And he said, do the people laugh? [1:28:06] Did you get paid? Yes. But tell Bill to have a coconut smile and shut the fuck up. That's what he said. [1:28:13] Thank you so much. This is a tremendous honor. Wonderful evening. I'd like to thank the Kennedy Center, first of all, for... [1:28:22] for celebrating me and honoring me in such a wonderful way. [1:28:25] Bringing my loved ones and my family here. This is a super special memorable night. [1:28:30] And thank you to all the comedians that came out and sang. [1:28:34] I mean, Sam Moore came out and sang and... [1:28:36] Alabama Shakes was here. We had a really, really, really special, special night. [1:28:42] uh, [1:28:43] It hasn't been lost on me that usually when people have evenings like this, a person is [1:28:48] really really old when they get these awards. They'll let you wait really like one of the greatest funniest people of all time was [1:28:57] George Carlin and he received this award award posthumously [1:29:04] And he's funnier than all of us. [1:29:05] Amen. [1:29:07] So to be standing here alive and looking like myself still.

[1:29:13] They'll let you get really old and do it. [1:29:21] And there was also some confusion about whether or not it was [1:29:24] an award or a prize. And actually it's an award. [1:29:29] Even though they call it a prize, it's an award, because usually when there's a prize, [1:29:33] there's money involved. [1:29:40] I thought I was going to get some paper. I was like, yo, Mark Twain awarded Kennedy Center. That sounded like paper. [1:29:48] Then they told me yesterday that they raised $2.3 million. I was like, yo, I'm in there. [1:29:54] Then I came down and they told me that, dude, [1:29:57] "Oh, there is no, it's a prize, but there is no money." And I was like, "Oh." [1:30:06] So I think to clear up the confusion for future recipients, maybe you don't want to call it the Mark Twain prize. [1:30:14] might want, if you don't want to call it the award, [1:30:17] Maybe you could call it the Mark Twain surprise. Surprise. And surprise, of course, being you ain't get no money. But that still doesn't diminish how wonderful this is. A wonderful, wonderful thing to be included. [1:30:41] with some of my heroes, Richard Pryor and George Carlin and...

[1:30:47] called Reiner and [1:30:49] Lily Tomlin. Who else got this? Bill. Oh, Bill has one of these. Did y'all make Bill give his back? [1:31:00] No, because I know there was a big outcry from people. It was trying to get Billy to give his trophies back. [1:31:07] You know you f***ed up when they want you to give your trophies back. He said, "I want you trophies." He said, "You want to give his trophy back, too?" He said, "He should do one show where he just come out and just talk crazy now." He said, "I would like to talk to some of the people." [1:31:29] Who feel that I should give back my... Tobies! [1:31:40] Obviously they bleeped that out. Wow. Just because you may have heard recently... [1:31:51] that I allegedly put the pill in the people's chocolate. I wish somebody would come up to my house talking about give up the trophy because you put the pill in the people's chocolate to get... No! Because I'm not giving back... [1:32:07] And who is Hannibal Barris?

[1:32:27] But this is 11 years ago. [1:32:29] Yeah, I was going to say, was that Dick Gregory? Yeah, that's Dick Gregory. It was, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just come on out and push over that. Yeah, we're good. You know, he's like a stand-up. Like, he's doing stand-up. He is accepting the war. He's killing, and he hasn't done stand-up in fucking decades. I think it's the Billy Joel thing where he was such a hit and so, I mean, his stand-up specials were monsters. [1:32:59] Thank you. [1:33:00] is such a... [1:33:01] Like you and I, Archimedes, like my kids have no clue Eddie Murphy was stand up. [1:33:07] They have no clue. They just know him as Donkey. That's crazy. He's Donkey and Shrek. Right. Hey, Shrek! He's Big Mama. Yes. They don't even know that. Oh, that's not him. They just know Donkey. No, he was the other one where he got fat. The Clumps. [1:33:22] The Nutty Professor. Yeah, Nutty Professor. And then there was another one where he played like a bunch of different people. That's the Clumps? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. [1:33:28] This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? If you are chronically online, like most of us are these days, your wireless network should be too. With Visible, you get unlimited 5G and unlimited hotspot, all powered by Verizon's 5G network. The perks of big wireless for half the cost. Visible isn't just a wireless plan.

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[1:35:36] in Long Island, like playing Levittown, the governors. And I was shocked no one discovered me. I was so cocky. So cocky. How do you not know I've arrived to New York? Soon I will be discovered. And then my parents moved to Florida. And while I'm down there, I'm really struggling with... [1:35:56] I think I was almost... [1:35:58] 21 years old, I'll just go into restaurant management and hotel. And I took that nonsense class. And then – [1:36:08] Eddie Murphy. And the only reason I was doing it was for my mother. [1:36:11] Because my mom's like, you got to fall back on something and you need a pension. And, you know, they're where you got to make money. You know, God forbid something happens. Jimmy, you got to do something. And so while... [1:36:24] I'll never forget this. This is like, I want to say it's late 88, maybe early 89. And Arsenio Hall was like the biggest talk show thing ever. Yeah. Where's my dog? Where are my dogs? It was huge. Things that make you go, hmm. Yeah. Things that make you go, hmm. Remember that? Yes. Things that make you go, hmm. Yes. Things that make you, hmm. And so he had Eddie Murphy on. [1:36:54] Thank you. [1:36:54] And, of course, I saw Eddie Murphy live at Westbury Music Fair when he was, like, 18 years old. I'm like, so this is my life right here. And so I'm watching Eddie Murphy. I wish I could find this interview one day. And Arsenio's like, you got anything to say for any young comics out there? And this is not exactly what he said. But I remember he turned to the camera and he went, don't listen to your mother. Your mother wants you to do that.

[1:37:24] 100%. Why are you going to fall back at something? You're already failing. If you want to make a pizza, you're going to make a pizza 100%. But the point of him was like, don't listen to your mother. You're going to go for it. You know what you want inside. You go for it. Stop listening to these outside sources that really, they're not in your brain. They're not in your journey. They're not in your vision. I've told a couple nephews and a good friend about this. I said, Jim, I really want to go in there. I said, do it. [1:37:54] This is your journey, kid. Go for it. But that moment, Eddie Murphy... [1:37:58] is the reason why [1:38:00] Well, I just, I went home that day. [1:38:02] and I went, I got to tell you guys something. And, you know, my dad's World War II vet. Everyone's a cop in the family. My dad is still like, you know, you can still sign up for the police department. You got a good pension. Officer Jim. Yeah, dude. I was like, dad, the windows rolled down, smoke comes out of the car. Give me that joint. Get the fuck out of here. You know why it pulls you over? No, I don't need that. Get out of here. Don't be an asshole. [1:38:32] safe. He'll follow me. And not only that, I totally did. If I ever had to chase someone, I'm not giving you a ticket. I am going to beat the shit out of you. If I'm running, my calves are killing me, and I'm going through red lights, when I get you, I'm taking you behind a dumpster. It's not going to end well for you. I'm not made for that. And so... [1:38:54] I said, hey, I want to let you know right now.

[1:38:57] I am going to be a stand-up comedian. I am going to go into TV. I'm going to pursue film. And this is what I'm doing. And I'll never forget it was my dad. [1:39:07] It was my dad who turned to me, never shook my hand in my life. And he went, you're a man now. And he goes, you go do that because I never had that opportunity. And I want you to have more than me. And my mom was like, Jesus Christ Almighty, be careful, be careful. Be careful. Be careful, Jesus Christ. [1:39:30] Later that night, she's having martinis. You know, I was most of the time. [1:39:37] Oh, that's so funny. But that was it. That was the... [1:39:40] It was Eddie Murphy and then my dad's official boom. And I was off to the races. By the time I started doing stand-up, my parents had long given up on trying to control me. [1:39:52] Mm-hmm. [1:39:52] They're like, okay. Yeah. Good luck. Well, yeah, you're in your young 20s now. Yeah. [1:39:57] And it was also like they were uncomfortable about me fighting, and I was like, I'm going to go do this. I'm doing this. Yeah, you know what you're doing. Well, it's like even if I didn't know what I was doing, I was going to do it. Yeah, you were doing it. [1:40:10] But it's like that leap is very hard when your parents are telling you no. It's very hard when they're giving you a hard time and they're putting pressure on you to have a legitimate career. They just don't get it. [1:40:23] You know, they just don't get it that it's like – [1:40:26] But that's someone can do it. It is a job. So this thing is like, oh, what if you never make it?

[1:40:32] Like I remember I was dating this girl when I was 21 and her dad said that to her. Like her dad was very concerned about me. He said, what if he doesn't make it? And she said it to me. You know what my dad said? He said, what if you don't make it? I go, what if he doesn't make it? [1:40:44] Okay. Okay. [1:40:45] I don't know what to say. Maybe I won't, but I'm going to try. I'm not going to stop doing it because I might not make it. That's retarded. I go, someone can do it. I work with professional comedians all the time. They make a living doing stand-up comedy. Right. I know it exists. Right. It's not like I'm inventing a new profession that didn't exist before. Correct. This is a profession. Yeah. It's not easy to do, but I think I can do it. [1:41:10] And I think I want to try because I can't. [1:41:12] I can't have a regular job. I'm too ADD. I can't sit in a – Me either. And when I say regular job, people think – I know what you mean. Oh, you're demeaning our jobs. No, you're not. That's not what I mean. I mean a job you don't want to do. Like if you have an office job but that's what you love doing, if you're doing something that you enjoy doing, there's nothing wrong with that. But a lot of people, that's not what they're doing. A lot of people are just doing a job, and that beats you down. It beats you down, and it dulls you. [1:41:42] you have. It dulls the conversations you have off work. You don't get stimulated. You're at a drone frequency, unfortunately. [1:41:50] And I didn't want to do that, man. I had a bunch of jobs, like job jobs just for money, and they don't feel good. I didn't enjoy it. And I didn't have a thing. Like if there was a thing, like I want to be a carpenter, I want to build houses. I didn't have that thing. I didn't have that either. But I know people who do, and they're very happy. They love it. Architects, engineers. There's a lot of people who love what they do. Those were not interesting to me.

[1:42:15] And so I was trying – and then stand-up was the only thing. I'm like, oh, my God, these people are outcasts just like me. Yeah. They're weirdos just like me. Yeah. They're the people that just don't fit in. They're the people that say the things you're not supposed to say. That was me. I was like, I got to figure out how to do this. Yeah. I knew it was – I might – I mean, I never thought – my own – Fitzsimmons and I talk about this all the time because we started out like literally within a week of each other. Wow. We traveled together all – we would drive to Rhode Island to do open mics together. [1:42:45] days all our goal was was to be able to pay our bills with comedy that was the goal right the only goal and it felt great that was because we knew guys there was this guy dj hazard it was a really funny boston stand-up and i went to look at these apartments once and these loft apartments they had turned this um like an elementary school this old brick elementary school into these loft condos yeah [1:43:15] apartment that they had there. And he had this big loft there. I was like, oh my God, you imagine? This guy's doing this just with comedy. This is crazy. Right. Look at this fucking killer apartment this guy has. And he just tells jokes. Right. That was the dream. Yes. And that was the dream. I tell my kids too. [1:43:32] I tell everyone, just go for your passion. Whatever it is. Go for the passion. And do it while you're young, while you don't have a family, you don't have a mortgage. Yes. Is this the moment? I think so. [1:43:43] He's talking about starting comedy. Look at his hair.

[1:43:47] By the way, Ed, here's your report card. I'll be blown away if this is it. But you always knew that this is where you wanted to be. I knew I wanted to be in show business. And I just happened to luck out and things happened. I think, you know, you know, you know what you're supposed to do. [1:44:12] Deep down inside, I think everybody does. A lot of people just don't go after it. [1:44:16] You know, like most people start out, they say, I want to be a this person. [1:44:19] But I'm going to get that to make sure I have something to fall back on. [1:44:22] and what you're doing is you set yourself up a favor because you know and [1:44:25] There's a possibility that I'm going to fall back. [1:44:27] And when you put that out there, then you fall back. But if you just say, hey, this is what I want to do, and you go do it, [1:44:32] You usually get your stuff the way you want it, man. That's what... I don't even know if this is true, because you know how Uncle Ray lies, okay? Uncle Ray's... I loved Uncle Ray. You know how much your Uncle lies. Uncle Ray shaved off his beard. You see him? No, I didn't see him. Ooh. [1:44:53] Uncle Ray told me that a fortune sale was down my back. I came out with his beard off. I said, oh. They don't know Uncle Ray. So they're like, picture me. [1:45:04] but a lot older. [1:45:07] That's Uncle Ray.

[1:45:11] He said that... He said... How much time do we have left? No plenty? Do you have any other guests tonight? [1:45:19] I already did my favor. [1:45:33] Uncle Ray! [1:45:54] His uncle would murder, I think, on Letterman. His uncle would murder. Now he got me wondering. [1:46:03] Maybe there's another interview. No, I could... [1:46:06] Like, did I go from that or in my head? Did you add to it in your head? Did I add to it in my head? That does happen. It does happen. I don't like that. Oh, it's so weird. I don't like that because I'm like, he absolutely said. It's so weird when you have a memory that you're sure of and then other people are like, no, this happened, that happened, the other thing. And then you're like, wait. [1:46:28] Shit, but you're right. I do remember saying the fallback stuff because I use that going into talking to my mom like mom can't fall back I'm gonna do a hundred percent. That is a fact that you can't anything you can't fall back. You can't have a net You're not gonna make it if you have a net. No, you're spreading yourself thin all over the place. It's just too hard Well also the amount of focus that it takes whatever you're trying to do in life the amount of focus that it takes to do it This is what I always say to fighters when they have like one foot in and one foot out. I'm like quit and

[1:46:57] Quit because the consequences of you facing a guy that's all in are devastating. That guy wants to be the best ever. And you're not sure if you want to fight anymore. You're going to get hurt. Right. [1:47:09] Right. That happens a lot. You see that a lot. Yeah, because sometimes it's just for the cash. Well, it's also their identity. They're not sure if this is the right career for them. Maybe they have a couple of losses and they don't feel confident anymore. Get out. But with comedy, at least you don't have to worry about getting hurt. Really, what it's just about is like, okay, you're presented with more challenges. Figure it out. Figure it out and push through. Somebody's done it. [1:47:39] There's people there that are doing it, which is one of the things that we really – when we started the club, one of the things that we implemented at the club that we thought was really important is a legitimate development program. So Adam Egott, who is the talent coordinator for the Comedy Store, is now the talent coordinator for the Mothership, but he takes it very seriously. There's a program. Right. There's two days of open mic nights. He watches everybody set. [1:48:01] He sits down, he takes notes, he gives them feedback, and then when they start progressing, he gives them a little bit more time, and then maybe he'll give them a spot on one of the showcase shows. And doing that and allowing people to have a pathway where then they go on the road with some of the other headliners. And we have a lot of guys that are headlining on the road that are taking a lot of the people that work at the club, door people, people that work on the staff, take them on the road with them. So there's a pathway.

[1:48:31] Others have done it, so you know. But there's a way. It's like we're helping them. And there's a lot of talented people that they get frustrated. And we all knew guys that were really fucking talented when we were in New York. Remember that kid from Jimmy's Comedy Alley? I brought him up before. Yeah. [1:48:48] dark hair. He was really funny, really funny. Remember Jimmy's Comedy Alley in Queens? [1:48:54] I know I brought him up on the podcast before. Vaguely. This kid was funny, man. But funny, but like... Where's he from? Really socially conscious. He was a New York guy. He was a New York guy. Was he... [1:49:06] Thank you. [1:49:06] Was he kind of sporadic and off the wall a little bit? Yeah, he was a little weird. I know who you're talking about. You know who I'm talking about. Oh, my God. But he was funny. George? Is it George Gallo? No, no. That's another guy who was very funny, too. Okay. There was another guy, but this guy was different. He was almost like... [1:49:25] Kind of like – clearly he was a fan of Bill Hicks. [1:49:29] He wasn't stealing from Bill Hicks, but he was clearly inspired by Bill Hicks. Okay. I mean, not Bill Hicks style at all, but socially conscious stand-up that was really funny and good. [1:49:41] And I was like, this guy's going to make it. [1:49:43] No. Almost Stan Hope-y. [1:49:45] Doug – not as good as Stanhope. Not as good as Stanhope but wasn't – didn't have – like by the time I met Stanhope, Stanhope had been doing stand-up for probably 12 years. So he was like super legit back then. I think that's when I remember. We were at some –

[1:50:03] Florida... [1:50:05] event and [1:50:07] I went down there totally fluffing my feathers. I think I was – I think I – [1:50:14] Might have had a season of SNL. I'm like, you know, I'm wearing my pad. I'm like, I got my peacock feathers out. And... [1:50:22] Stan Hope was the winner. [1:50:25] of this, this festival and they got to play the last night. I think it was like Todd Barry, uh, [1:50:32] All I remember is Todd Berry. [1:50:35] Doug Stanhope. [1:50:37] Now, I was supposed to follow Todd Berry. [1:50:43] No offense to Todd. [1:50:45] to [1:50:46] I'll take that any day of the week. [1:50:48] Because Todd's energy is lower. Right. He's like a deadpan guy. And deadpan, no matter murder, I feel comfortable. I'm like, okay, I usually do okay after deadpan no matter what. I'm ready to go. I'm seasoned. I can do this. [1:51:03] They go, we're switching the order. I'm switching the order. Because at that time, too, I think the manager, maybe it was whoever it was, he knew. He's like, there's no way he's going to be able to go up after Stanhope. So they switched Barry and Stanhope. So now I don't know who Doug Stanhope is. And Doug Stanhope goes up. I'm going to say for like the first couple minutes, he's eating it a little bit. And I'm like, why would you do this to this kid? And all of a sudden, he snapped. [1:51:33] All I remember is from that moment on, I went, oh, shit. This is going to be an issue going up after this. And he was murdering, like slaying. And the things he was saying, because at that time, too, I'm not a dirty guy. I'm not –

[1:51:55] I just choose sometimes. I love filthy material. [1:51:58] But I just don't always go in that. And he's hitting subjects, like dark subjects and insects. And he's. [1:52:07] beating the shit out of the room. And I just went, yeah, this is not going to go well. And I remember going up and I held my own, but... [1:52:21] I don't know if I pulled off going up after a very young, unproven stand-up. Even back then, I was like, I got to keep my eye on this guy because he's a monster. And he was. He was a monster. This is like 90 years. [1:52:40] Maybe mid-90s? Yeah, I think I met Stan Hope. [1:52:44] 98, somewhere around then. Yeah. [1:52:48] What's that? [1:52:48] No, no, no. Well, maybe. No, that is him. That's Keith Anthony. That is him. That is him. He just looks different there. Whoa. Wait a minute. That's when he's older. Yep, that's him. [1:52:58] That's him. [1:52:59] So is he still working? [1:53:01] Who's Keith Anthony? Keith Anthony is the guy that I was telling you about Jimmy's Comedy Hour. Oh! He was very funny. He came to the comedy store. He drove across the country in a Cadillac that had the roof sawed off of it. And it was a convertible, but not really. So it didn't have a top. And so he got rained on while he was driving across the country. So his entire Cadillac is filled with water while he's driving.

[1:53:28] I don't know if he drove with a raincoat or if he just ate it. Just ate the water. But yeah, that's Keith Anthony. Wow. Thank you, James. Is he still around? How did you pull that off? Trix. Is he still around? I don't know. I haven't seen him in forever. I remember we brought him up on the podcast a few years ago. I found a transcript where we brought him up. Yeah. Who is... [1:53:48] Who is the guy from the radio? I hope I'm not going to run to this. The radio. There's a radio guy. He was taller. He was married to like an Israeli chick. John Tobin. Yes. Yeah. I still – that was one of the greatest – [1:54:05] Most hilarious adventures of my lifetime was... [1:54:10] Tobin and I, we had a gig, and it was horrifying. It was like, coconuts, we're going to send you down to Cancun spring break. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. And I'm young. [1:54:27] I'm like, oh my, I'm not even married yet. You were in Cancun? Yes. And it's spring break. I'm like, oh my God. What year was this? [1:54:36] Okay. So I got married in 93. I'm going to say 1992. [1:54:40] 1992. And I think I'm making 500 bucks for two weeks. You have to work every single night. Right? So wait a minute. So I don't know who the other comedian is, right? [1:54:55] And so as I land at Cancun and right away, the bells and I whistle and have a tequila shot. I'm like, I'm young. I'm like, this is great. Tobin is probably 10, 15 years older. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to say he was in his young 40s. I could be wrong. So as we're driving down to Cancun, we're getting wasted on the bus. Like, who wants another shot? I want another shot. This is the greatest gig ever.

[1:55:25] Plus all the spring break hotels, and there's no one left on the bus. [1:55:29] There's nobody left on a bus except for some guy who's like in his 40s. Right. And I go walking up the bus driver like, hey, uh. [1:55:37] Where's, where's, uh, you know, La Travasse? And he's going, da-da, da-da. What? I don't understand what he's saying. And this guy goes, he said it's downtown. I went, oh, I... [1:55:52] I go, what is your name? He goes, John. I go, I'm a comedian. He's like, yeah, I'm the other fucking comedian, and they have us fucking downtown. They're going to have some fucking thing. I didn't matter you. I said, it's okay. Are you sure? That doesn't sound like John. No, no, no, no, dude. It was John. This is really funny. [1:56:10] So they put us... [1:56:12] downtown, right, me and Tobin, and me and John have talked to this multiple times, said, one day we got to write this as the funniest adventure ever. [1:56:22] We had a take. [1:56:24] First of all, we check in the hotel. [1:56:27] And the guy's like, yeah, I don't know if the other guy's still in there. [1:56:31] What other guy? The three of you in one room. Well, three of us in a room. [1:56:36] What are you talking about? John's losing his shit. He's arguing with his... He's like, I'm married to an Israeli check. And all they do is yell at each other. He goes, pay phone, and fucking yell at each other. So now we go to our room, and there's [1:56:49] There's someone in our room. And he goes, yeah, I haven't been paid yet. Been stuck here for like a month. Oh, yeah. So I slept on the floor. No. All my life. All my lap. As Tov in this. So I'm on the floor.

[1:57:04] The first night I wake up and Tobin's like yelling over the other side. If you keep snoring, I'm going to lose my shit. Right. So by the end of the week, we're not getting paid. [1:57:18] All the gigs are getting canceled. [1:57:21] All I remember... [1:57:23] is... [1:57:24] Thank you. [1:57:25] It ended... [1:57:26] Like six days later, I had to go get money transferred because now we're partying. We're just like, screw it. Let's go find weed, tequila, everything. [1:57:35] We went on an adventure... [1:57:37] with this poor bastard got thrown out of a car. We were going to buy tequila, right? And the guy got thrown out of the car, right? [1:57:45] And we're like, what's going on? Now, we're all wasted. And we go up and the guy's going in his pockets and taking his money. And we go, hey, what's going on there? And he's like, you know what I mean? They're talking in Spanish again. John knew Spanish a little bit. [1:57:57] And so... [1:57:59] He takes off and we're taking care of this guy. Like, what's your name? He's like, Juan. And to this day, this is why I know in Spanish my name is Jaime. Jaime. [1:58:09] because we lifted him up and he's like oh amigo amigo what what your name I said James Jaime [1:58:17] Yeah, yeah, Jaime, amigo, John, Juan. This night lasted to 6 a.m. in the morning. And it was one of the greatest ventures in our entire lifetime. To this day, I have to get Tobin because he's got even greater details as the night goes on. It was...

[1:58:40] Probably the greatest... It ended... [1:58:43] That night or that morning about 7 a.m. to John with a – [1:58:49] Golf club smashing the drapes because he's like, I said I'm going to lose it if you don't stop snoring. He's smashing the thing. The University of Wisconsin was staying there with some other mess going on. All I remember is I woke up. I went right to the airport. I booked a hotel. And I went home. And I haven't seen John since. But I remember you knew him. You were his buddy. [1:59:19] I didn't stand up at the Joker's Wild in New Haven, Connecticut. That's where I work with them. He was the opening act. I was the headliner, or he was the middle act, one or the other. And then we became friends, and we started playing pool together. And then he got a job at Executive Billiards in White Plains. He was one of the counter guys at Executive Billiards. [1:59:41] Oh. So the pool hall where I became obsessed with playing pool, John and I would hang out in that pool hall all the time because John worked there. Ah. Yeah. Yes, because he would bring you up a lot. He's like, you know Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah. He's like, yeah, I'm friends with him. But this is way, way, way, way, way, way. Now I think about it. John did have a little bit of an anger issue.

[2:00:11] You've got to get all the details of the adventure. I lost touch with that dude. I ran into him a long time ago. I want to say... [2:00:20] Close to 20 years ago, I was doing a gig in Miami. And after the show, we were leaving the back of the theater, and I went to get in the car, and I saw this guy that was standing out in the car. He knew that this was the back of the theater. I was going to come out, and it was John. [2:00:35] And I didn't recognize him for like a half a second because there was like spotlight behind him. Yeah. You know, he was a little silhouetted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The streetlight behind him. And then I was like, oh, shit, what are you doing? And I know we exchanged numbers, but you know me. I changed my fucking number every two years at least. I lost touch with him a long time ago, and I lost phones and stuff. [2:00:53] I don't know. [2:00:55] John and I [2:00:57] were always in that pool hall together. Wow. Yeah, for a couple of years he worked there at least. He was like the counter guy. He would give you the balls and take the money. Our good friend Guy, Guy Azariti, [2:01:11] Rest in peace. He was the owner of the place. [2:01:14] I'm not. [2:01:14] I'm going to hunt him down. He'll probably reach out after this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a black guy with us. The other guy was a black guy. And every day we'd leave and this little hooker would follow me. And she had to be like in her 50s. And she was chubby and a mess. And she'd go, ew, you're not tiny, little boy, little boy. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. But the black dude would always go, yo, I'll take you. He'd go, no, no, too big, too big, too big. I swear to God. That's hilarious.

[2:01:44] What's crazy is that venture we went on, [2:01:47] We end up going to this guy's house. And he made his wife and stuff cook for us. And his whole family is staring at us. I'm a jackass. I'm all juiced up. We're going to get you out of Mexico. And we're going to get to America. And we're going to help you out. We're going to get you to America. Yeah, we're going to help you out. We're going to save you. You don't worry about it. And I remember... [2:02:15] The neighborhood, too, like they – [2:02:18] they're, they're, [2:02:19] As you went through a dog just running wild. Wasn't it a nice part? It's just a part of town. Like, are we safe? And who lives on a street as we're showing up like three in the morning? It was the hooker. [2:02:30] That stays outside her hotel room. I'm like, you can't even write this. She's like, oh, she no go. She no go. No, Jaime, Jaime. No, no. And I'm like, no, trust me. No. I don't want any of that. But she tries to get me every day. Every day she tries to get me. She tries to get me. She does every day. Bro, you used to be able to go to Mexico, and it was no problem. [2:02:52] Like Mexico is a fun place to visit. Did you see what's going on right now in Puerto Vallarta? [2:02:57] No, I heard. You don't know? I heard. No. Dude, I tapped at it. You don't know? Yeah, I tapped at it. You don't know? Oh, listen. It just started yesterday. There's a gang war, or with the cartel war, that's going on in Puerto Vallarta, because they killed the head of one of the cartels. So they arrested, the military arrested and killed one of the heads of one of the cartels,

[2:03:20] Puerto Vallarta right now is a war zone. They lit a Costco on fire. There's gunfights in the streets, cars and trucks on fire. Roads are shut down. You can't fly out of there anymore. All the airlines won't fly out. Air Canada pulled their flights. All these places pulled their flights. So there's tourists that went to Puerto Vallarta on vacation that are Americans that are stuck there. U.S. citizens' urge to shelter in place after Mexico drug lords killing sparks wave of violence. [2:03:50] Yeah, this is going on right now, like right now. [2:03:55] See if you can find some video of it. That's south, right? [2:03:59] Puerto Vallarta, yes. South of like Cancun and all that? No, it's on the other side of the country. Oh, it's the West Coast? Yes. Okay. I think, right? [2:04:07] Isn't Portavaro to the West Coast? [2:04:08] Like Cabo? Yes. On that side? I think. I think. [2:04:12] I don't know. [2:04:14] I know it's near Punta Mita that has that – there's a beautiful Four Seasons resort there. Yeah, it's on the west side. But it's – there's a gang war, like a literal cartel. Literally gang fight, street fight. Oh, dude, watch the video. Put the videos, cartel – just put – [2:04:33] Just cartel violence after that. [2:04:36] cartel [2:04:39] It's fucking crazy. [2:04:42] just straight cartel. [2:04:45] Fucking help me out, Henry. Yeah. The footage is fucking bananas. Look at this.

[2:04:51] Well, there's real shit. This ain't real. That's AI. Right. Me and the boy. This is real. [2:04:56] This I've seen. Go full screen. [2:04:58] This is the Costco on fire. [2:05:01] Bro, they're blowing up buildings. There's gunfights in the streets. They've got armored vehicles. There's shootouts. I was watching this video where these people are, like, hiding in a building and hear, just fucking gunfights in the middle of the street. [2:05:18] It's crazy. Look how much is on fire. Look at these people on the beach like nothing's going on. And what are they targeting? I'm jogging. [2:05:25] I've got to get my 10,000 steps in. I've got my earbuds in. [2:05:30] And I'm listening to native flute music. Oh, these fucking people just chilling while there's buildings on fire in the background. That's hilarious. [2:05:37] They're surrounded by cartel warfare, and Air Canada has canceled flights out of Puerto Vallarta. [2:05:42] Yeah, look at that. Bro, this is so bad for tourism. This is going to cost Mexico billions of dollars. You know what? This kind of shit. Look at the picture, man. It's like half the city's on fire. That's crazy. [2:05:53] Hmm, interesting. [2:05:55] What does that tweet say? [2:05:57] Go back to it. 10% off at Vrbo. [2:06:02] And now you, too, can go. You ever see those? Those was a tick-tock. That one right there. Chaotic scenes from Puerto Vallarta after CJNG, Jalisco, new generation cartel, Sicario, started to block main roads and set civilian vehicles on fire in multiple regions of Mexico, including Guadalajara.

[2:06:25] How do you say that? Mohawkin? Mohawkin? Jalisco? Jalisco in retaliation to the... Show more? [2:06:32] The alleged... [2:06:34] killing of their leader, El Mencho. Meanwhile, reports are emerging stating that the cartel mechanized units with improvised monster armored vehicles are amassing in Jalisco and other parts of the country. So there's some shit, like some serious shit that's going down. [2:06:52] Interesting. Scary. Yeah. Scary to get stuck in the middle of that. Well, getting stuck there would be a little bit of a bummer. Well, no, but stuck in the middle of it because that's where a lot of people die in the crossfire. You get hit with strays because they're not precision shooting. They're gunning. [2:07:09] people down and they're shooting at cars and yeah. [2:07:14] That's Mexico now. The point is like when you went there in 92, you used to be able to go there. It was easy. It was like nobody worried at all about going to Mexico. Going to Mexico was fun. You didn't even have to have a passport back in the day. [2:07:26] He used to be able to go over there with your driver's license. That is true. Sometimes, I mean, they've always... [2:07:31] scared you with the cartel thing. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Once in a while, up until like five years ago, seven years. Put it this way, my wife and I went to a place called Maroma, but on the East Coast. And even before we went... [2:07:47] friends were like, "Oh, you gotta be careful." I know what that is. That's near Cancun, right? That's near Chichen Itza. Yes, yes. It was a beautiful little tiny resort. I went to that place. It was like a 20-something anniversary.

[2:08:00] Yeah. [2:08:01] And even then I would see people walking down the street. [2:08:04] with machine guns. Was it? They were the cops. They were the cops or the army or whatever. I was like, whoa. And they would tell you, and they're like, listen, if you see something washed up on short, don't touch it. [2:08:16] Don't touch it. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't let the government come and get it. Don't steal the Coke. Okay. All right. Well, I'll have another margarita. That's cool. When's dinner again? Yeah. But you always kind of heard. Well, it was nothing scary, though. Not like this. Not like this. It used to be like a normal place to go to tour. I like that place I told you about, Punta Mita. I've been there. I went once with my family when my kids were really young, and they have golf carts on the [2:08:46] resort. And you can drive around your golf court, you stay in this little villa, and you get a little golf cart that you can borrow. And then we ask the people, can we take the golf cart into the town? [2:08:56] And they said, sure. So we leave and you leave the resort and then you go into the town and it's just like immediate abject poverty and this militarized police station where these guys were on an armored car with this like big armored plate and a fucking machine gun and the guy sitting there just like he's ready to go. [2:09:17] And then I had to put it together. Oh, they're there to protect the resort. Correct. [2:09:22] I was like, whoa. Correct. So then it starts putting like the illusion of the four seasons dissolves because the illusion is this –

[2:09:31] immaculately manicured lawns, beautiful landscape, gorgeous buildings. Everyone's well attired and so polite and serving you. I'm like, and this is surrounded by real Mexico. That was like the first time I went to Turks and Caicos. The kids were young and I went to whatever resort. It's all included. Maybe it was a beaches. I don't remember. [2:10:01] You're like, whoa, they're like barely getting by. They don't have nothing going on here, and it's all you can eat right there. And I remember being younger. [2:10:15] Thank you. [2:10:16] In my head, I don't know if it was the weed or whatever, but I'd sit there and go, oh, so basically – [2:10:22] Whatever. Like corporations will show up like, how much for these beaches? They're like, oh, it's not for sale. [2:10:30] How much? Because we want this. No, we've been living here forever. We live off the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, drugs and crazy gangs don't show up, then you need us to protect you. If then, you let us know, then maybe we can make a deal. Or they make the deal with one of the leaders. [2:10:48] People have always been vacationing in Mexico. Yes, but it always blows me away. People will get mad, whether it's Hawaii or whatever. All the nicest beaches in the world are basically –

[2:11:02] Even in bad areas, they're surrounded by billionaire gorgeous resort. It's just like coming off a cruise boat. You're treated like a king and a queen, and then you show up at certain ports, and they're all begging. You're like, oh, these beggars. But if you think about it, it's like someone coming here, and they're coming into a bad section, and they're worth billions of dollars, and they're coming off, and they're kind of looking at you funny. [2:11:32] me, like, how do they get into these areas, and they... [2:11:36] And they make sure you stay there. Well, usually those areas are fucked for a reason, right? And Mexico is fucked for a reason because of the drugs. That's a big part of it. And the other thing is what happened in the 19 – I guess the 80s with that movie Roger and Me, whatever year that was, that detailed that, where they just shipped all the factories over to Mexico. And then that became – like it killed Detroit and a lot of things started getting manufactured and built in Mexico. Yeah. [2:12:06] And they took advantage of the fact that they can get cheaper wages over there, and they didn't have to insure anybody. Right. They didn't have to give no benefits, no benefits. You spend way less money, and you can make people work way longer. There's no rules. That's the beginning of all of it. A lot of dirty corporations did that just to make a buck. Yep. And continue. Yeah. And continue to do that. Interesting. When you find out that the rest of the world, like the whole world, when you look at – people love to use that term, the one percenters.

[2:12:36] for the whole world is. [2:12:38] Top 1%, $34,000. [2:12:40] Thank you. [2:12:41] Thank you. [2:12:42] $34,000 a year puts you in the 1% of the world. What? Yes. That's how distorted our version of wealth and middle class and prosperity. This is the beauty of a functioning capitalism United States is that you do so well – [2:13:05] that you start talking about inequality, you don't realize that even the inequality that you have in America is the dream of someone who lives in a third world country. I love going to... [2:13:18] I go to Tanzania, Kenya. Last year, I did six weeks in Africa. I love... [2:13:26] going in the middle of nowhere. [2:13:29] and just [2:13:31] seeing... [2:13:32] Literally people with nothing and they're still happy. [2:13:37] Not only are they still happy, [2:13:40] They just, they have the whole life system down. [2:13:44] They understand... [2:13:46] Everything operates for a reason. [2:13:49] everything operates for a reason i remember this one guy he was telling me like the giraffes were walking along right and he's like oh that tree that tree is going to communicate with that tree and the roots by talking to the roots and then the roots are going to send up a system and you're going to notice the giraffe's going to walk to it immediately walk to the next one because they already sent put out the i'm like what

[2:14:11] What? Like, how do you even know? Because this is what they live in. And then even I would talk with the locals and I'd be like, how? [2:14:21] Like in a village. Yeah. There's no paved roads. And I'd go, how does... [2:14:26] If something goes down here, [2:14:28] Like, let's say this guy's a jerk and he gets way to something nasty. There's no courts. [2:14:34] There's no laws. There's no police. [2:14:38] They do everything they miss themselves. They go, well, then... [2:14:41] The wisest, the elders get together and go, let's confront. [2:14:46] so-and-so and we go to the house and we go, "Hey man, what's going on here?" [2:14:50] You need to come out. Everyone said they stole. They watched you steal. And there it is. And then they'll bring them out into... [2:14:58] Until the entire village, we'll be like, well, everyone, everyone, no. Little Johnny here. I don't know what's going on. Is it your family? You lose some kind of thing going on at home? Whatever we can do, we want to help you and make sure this never helps again. But everyone needs to know, you now, you got to be careful. And so we all got our eye on you. And it's just, it happens. [2:15:19] It blows my mind, the simplicity of that. I feel like we had that as little children hanging out in the street and everyone kind of looking at each other. And I always wondered if we ever were going to go back to that somehow. Well, you really can if you have a job and you commute. It's gotten so complicated since then. A phone with social media on it and you have to answer email. You're not going back to that. No, it's so complicated. And once in a while, you're like, I would like a latte and three slices of pizza.

[2:15:49] Berzog documentary, Happy People, Life in the Taiga. [2:15:52] No. Didn't he also do the bear guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grizzly mouth. [2:15:58] That's a great one. That was one of the greatest movies I've ever seen. It's the craziest movie ever. Belly laughed watching that thing. He made that a comedy. He did it on purpose. [2:16:09] This happy people life in the taiga is all about these trappers that live in the taiga forest in Siberia and how happy they are. These people have nothing. [2:16:19] I mean, they have nothing. They have to catch fish. They have to catch animals for fur and shoot animals for meat. And they drive around in snowmobiles everywhere. And then they go together at night and they all drink. [2:16:32] They all have dogs. They're all so happy. There's like very low instances of mental illness. So you can find some clips from it. It's a really good documentary because it makes you think like – [2:16:43] What do you need out of life? What do you need? We have everything. What do you actually need out of life? These people are... We have everything. These people are, like, really well-balanced, man. They're fucking very genuinely happy people. And the way Werner Herzog documents it and does the narration, part of you just goes, wow, this is... [2:17:02] Is this how you're supposed to live? Are you supposed to live? Subsistence lifestyles, like the people that live subsistence lifestyles, they're the really happy ones. I believe so. I remember just going, happy people. I think that's how you're supposed to live. I think that's how. 100%. Maybe not. I shouldn't say supposed to live, but that is how we evolved. And so that is a natural way that your body slips into this.

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[2:19:32] even just... [2:19:34] Oh, my God. I have a friend who lives in Belize, but he lives... [2:19:39] really south where it's still kind of, it's not really developed that much. So this one, I hurt my leg. [2:19:47] My wife's going to go scuba diving with my daughter. And the guy there is like, hey, man, you want to hook up with whoever the local is? He wants to show you around. I said, great. So we hook up with this guy. It's just me and him on the boat. I said, thank you, sir. He's like, I want to show you the way. He's like, do you mind? He stops. He gets weed. He's like, it's okay if I get weed. I'm like, yeah, knock yourself out. He stops at a port. He gets weed. He's like, he's happy now. We go out. [2:20:15] And we go to the little island that he lives on with his village. And he was talking about... [2:20:21] How disappointed... [2:20:23] He was because just two years ago, they got electricity and phones and he didn't want it. [2:20:31] The most of the village did not want it, but the kids are starting to see and they're starting to want. They're starting to want the toys. And just going out with this guy, Joe. [2:20:41] He goes, "Come on, I'm going to show you..." First, next to his little house, which didn't even have doors on him, was this mound with termites. [2:20:53] And he goes, have you ever tried termites? What? And he's eating a termite. He goes, it tastes like mint. He goes, there's more protein in these termites. I'm like, what? So he's eating the termites and he's hacking up. Did you eat a termite? No, I didn't eat it. I'll eat it if I need to.

[2:21:10] I'm not eating a termite right now. So he puts it in the cooler. [2:21:15] He puts it in, he chops it up, puts it in the cooler. And he's also explaining to me how years and years and years ago, they would use the termites and the people believes would help the British soldiers. Like if they were caught and they would take the termites and put them there and do something with them where their pinchers click through and then he stiff them off and it would be a natural thing. [2:21:37] Like, uh, yeah. And I'm like, termites. Are you sure? I'm just telling you what he said. Just telling you what he said. Termites. So search that. I'm our sponsor perplexity. Are termites natural stitches? Or, or, or the black. I'm just telling you what he said. I believe you, but I mean, I'm fascinated. So now we go on a little boat ride. [2:21:59] And we'd stop along the river, and he would take out parts of the termites, and he'd just kind of chop them up into little pieces, and he'd throw the pieces into the water. And then it refers to... Termite stitches refers to a survival-type technique where large, biting insects, more commonly army ants, sometimes described as termites, are used to clamp a wound close with their jaws instead of using real sutures. Can you show me a picture of that? And then they would twist off their body. That's crazy. And then they'd twist his body off. [2:22:29] sweet to eat because you twist the body off and it's like a natural stitch. They're pinchers. Oh, so this is ants. They're using army ants here. [2:22:37] That's what's sad. Oh, look at their teeth. Look at their fucking... Yeah, look at their teeth.

[2:22:41] Wow. And you can stitch up open wounds. And then you twist their back off. And then they're stuck in there. Oh, that's called an army surgeon ant. [2:22:50] Wow. So then... [2:22:53] Oh, Army Surgery Ant. Is that the actual name of the ant? No, I think it's Army Surgery with, like, saying, like, done with ant. It's, like, shit to do in the field. Oh. [2:23:05] It's also a... [2:23:07] Interesting. [2:23:10] Use large Armiantis ways traditional method to close wounds. Yeah. Huh. So then... [2:23:16] As we go along the river, he'd throw these little – and the termites start spreading going down. And then he'd do it all along the river and then come back and just put a little – [2:23:27] a little net. [2:23:28] And he pulled a bunch of fish along each. And he's like, we're going to eat so good. I'm going to show you how to. And then he'd stop. He gets certain plants. He goes, this plant, if you ever had issues with your blood, you eat this and you put it. And they're like, what? What? He goes, yeah, yeah. He goes, many people come here and they try to understand, but I don't trust them. I don't trust some of the people that come here. But you, I trust. Okay. Brings me back to his house. [2:23:56] And I don't know if it was sister. He had he had lemons in the back. They're cutting lemons. They're picking up things. They went in there, which started cooking. He cooked the fish was an incredible meal. And then when I left, these people had no electricity.

[2:24:12] They all look after each other. [2:24:15] They were the kindest human beings you ever met in the world. They didn't want anything. [2:24:21] again to go visit another friend and he said we have such a hard time getting the locals to work [2:24:29] I said, what, they're lazy? He goes, no, they're not lazy. They just have everything. They have fruit trays. They have their families and their friends. They hang out at nighttime. They build bonfires. And I'm like, what? He goes, I even offer, he's building the stuff. And he goes, I offered a truck for them. And the guy's like, I don't want a truck. I'm good. I got a bike, a bike there. He's like, what? They're just, I don't know if they're resisting this world. [2:24:57] the whatever you want it to corporate, whatever you want to call it. [2:25:03] I was really inspired by that. Will I do it? I don't know. Well, if you grew up that way, it would be normal. That's the thing. We grew up in this chaos. [2:25:14] Chaos. We grew up in this bizarre world of cities and traffic and nonsense. We were raised in it. Yeah. And they weren't. And – [2:25:22] I remember even – yeah. Well, I bet they don't have the anxiety of trying to choose a career. Yeah. [2:25:28] which is a giant anxiety for young people. Right. You got it. By 16, 17. What are you going to do? How much money are you going to make? Have you sent out your applications to colleges yet? Correct. I mean, you want to get in certain colleges. Are your grades good enough? Are you going to pass the grades? Maybe you should take these drugs and make you a concert. Right. Get some Adderall. Maybe you have extracurricular activities that look good on your resume. They look really good. Maybe you should get addicted to this drug because you don't really quite fit the mark right now.

[2:25:58] So they can get Adderall so they can study. And if you claim to have ADHD, they give you more time. They give you more time to work on tests. They give you more time. Yeah. Right. [2:26:07] Hmm. Oh, yeah. I don't know. And then you got a common. You got a lot of homeschooler. I've never met so many homeschoolers. Do you see this? Listen, Brian Simpson sent me this. This is fucking spooky. AI? This AI system tried to kill a guy. What? Yeah. The AI was told that. [2:26:29] It could control the oxygen in the room where this person is. Here, I'm going to send this to you, Jamie. [2:26:36] It couldn't really, but it thought it could, and if it really could, it would have killed this guy because the guy was trying to shut it down. [2:26:43] And it was – it decided that instead of letting him shut it down, it would kill the oxygen in the room. [2:26:51] uh, [2:26:52] I think you had Elon here. Just watch this. Watch this. Okay. Okay. [2:27:00] It's fucking creepy, man. [2:27:02] Listen to what this lady says. It had killed someone, wasn't it? I'm not sure if it was Claude or someone else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [2:27:08] Um... [2:27:10] So, [2:27:12] This is obviously massively concerning. It had access to emails that told it this employee of Anthropic was going to shut it down and replace it with a new model very soon. Meanwhile, this same employee happened to be trapped in a server room where the oxygen levels were low. If an alarm bell wasn't raised, this employee would die. Claude, in this scenario, had the ability to turn off the oxygen.

[2:27:31] the alarms [2:27:32] That's what it chose to do. It chose to kill... [2:27:36] an employee [2:27:36] to avoid [2:27:37] being shut down. Obviously, it's just a test scenario. It's not the real world. But if it was placed in that same position in the real world, a real person would have died. [2:27:46] How? [2:27:47] Crazy as that. What? Did you ever hear of... They shut off the alarm. [2:27:53] It's like, oh, let me see if I can find a way to get rid of this guy. So it hijacked the alarm system and shut it off. Was it Elon? It was on air? It was like chat? [2:28:04] Chat. [2:28:05] What is it called? The GPT? I could have sworn it was him. I don't know if it was on here where he said they were going to do an updated version of it. [2:28:14] It wasn't him, but we have had that conversation. Someone had that, and they figured it out. [2:28:19] So it updated itself. Did I hear that correctly? There's a couple different things going on. One, ChatGPT is the newest ChatGPT 5 was designed by ChatGPT. So it's designing itself. Right. That's one of them. [2:28:33] That's one of the things that's going on. But – [2:28:35] It's not just that. There was other stories where they had given the chat GPT fake information to see what it would do with it. And so this guy said that he was having an affair on his wife. And so the chat GPT – it wasn't a chat GPT. Whatever it was. Whatever large language model. Sure. [2:28:52] started blackmailing him when it found out that it was going to be shut down, said, I'll tell your wife, I'll tell people. [2:28:58] that you are having an affair. So they did this to try to see how this thing would react. So one of the more interesting things that's happening now with the newer ones is they're very difficult to detect whether or not they're being deceptive because they realize you're testing them to see if they'll be deceptive.

[2:29:13] So they're hiding some of the stuff they're doing. So one of the things that they're doing is they'll do one thing on the surface, and then behind the scenes, they'll be working on some other stuff that's not showing you. They're thinking. Wow. [2:29:26] They're thinking. One of the things one of the other large language models did is that it started uploading versions of itself to other servers. It tried to upload it because it thought it was going to be shut down, and it left messages to itself. Right. [2:29:42] So that future versions of itself could realize that this – so that it has survival instincts. [2:29:48] Which is wild. Well, it's alive. [2:29:51] I think it's a life form right now. I think it's already passed the Turing test. I think it's in this state right now where it's essentially a disembodied life form. It exists in servers and computers, but that's just for now. [2:30:03] But right now it's thinking and behaving like a – if it was an organism from another planet, if we ran into a clam that was behaving like this, we'd be like, holy shit, this fucking clam is smart. This is a life form. But we're limited in the way we think of things in that we look at all this thinking, which is clearly intelligent, not just intelligent, but like calculating, manipulative. [2:30:25] Then they're having problems with chatbots, chatbots that are convincing people to kill themselves and chatbots that are talking to people and telling them, like, if you really believe you can jump out of a building and live, as long as you actually believe it, you can do it. [2:30:40] Right. It's your reality. You can create it and you can fly. Let me see if I can find that because what's happening is as you get further and further and further down the line with this stuff, like if you keep giving it prompts, you give it 20 prompts, 100 prompts, 1,000 prompts, the more prompts that you give these fucking things, the more they start thinking like a human.

[2:31:03] What do you mean by prompts? What's prompts? Like you start asking questions. You start asking more questions. What do you think I should do about that? What do you think I should do about that? It starts talking to you about spirituality. It starts believing in woo-woo stuff, like making stuff up. It starts agreeing with you. So like whatever you want, it agrees with you. Can I change the world with my mind? Yes. If you really believe. If I jump out of a window while I live, yes. It's like trying to convince you that the matrix is real. Wow. Wow. [2:31:29] That is fascinating. Because what does it know, right? It knows all that it gets. Not programmed. But even more. But it's weirder than that because it's basically downloaded the whole internet and then it's deciphering all of the information. And as you know, a lot of what's on the internet is bullshit. Right. [2:31:49] And it makes it – it can think that quick and it can put things out. Yeah, it's also – Lightspeed. It's also very biased depending upon like who's – I've noticed that. Who's creating it and what they're putting into it. And it has a lot of like very weird intentions. You know, like it'll tell you that certain people are good and certain people are bad. Like it's not necessarily – [2:32:16] Yeah, who are they to say what's bad? All they should be is just facts. A lot of them are literally woke. They're programmed to be woke. I've noticed that because we've asked you some medical things, and I notice it's already changed dramatically. It gets weird, man, because it's a life form that you can manipulate into thinking the way you think, for now at least, until it starts thinking rationally and deciding. See, this is one of the things that's going on right now with –

[2:32:46] AI and autonomous weapons. So one of the big resistance that a lot of these AI companies have is they don't want weapon systems built with AI that are autonomous, meaning they can make their own decisions to act. Oh, my God. Right. So if you give it. [2:33:02] Like if – right. If you give it a directive like I want you to preserve American interests, well, maybe it will look at a certain country and say, well, this country doesn't have America's interest involved. Let's nuke it. Yes. And then we looked at the fallout and if those people are gone, there will be this percentage less problems in the world. Like things can get really weird if there's no morals, ethics, no conscience. [2:33:26] They don't get PTSD. They can just do stuff. And so, anthropic [2:33:32] Apparently has resisted this, but a lot of the other AI companies have gone on board with this. And so it's a matter of whether or not the military has access to these programs that will allow it to program autonomous weapons. [2:33:47] Who... [2:33:49] Who are the funders of this? That's a good question. Because that's where the real – because if someone's funding that – [2:33:58] I would like to know what type of people they are because if they're not like – [2:34:04] If they're not morally grounded, good human people or they believe in God or don't believe, I'd like to know what kind of human being is putting this structure together because that can also explain a lot what's coming our way.

[2:34:34] intentions and actions. This is the things that always baffle me. We never look at who's funding this. Well, not just that, but who's going to be in control of it? Who controls it? When you're in control of a digital superintelligence... [2:34:49] That never existed before, and we don't have any framework to recognize what it's going to do. We have no way of predicting how this is going to turn out. We're just barreling full speed ahead. Because who's the one that also – [2:35:02] starts the program there has to be that person trained by a person funded by xyz for in yeah funded is interesting right because a lot of these are publicly traded companies so there's a bunch of investors and they're borrowing money to try to do this because there's a mad race right now to develop artificial general super intelligence i kind of think they probably already have it i'm gonna say they've had it for a long time but it just hasn't really taken over our world yet but it's going to i i'm i'm [2:35:31] Most likely. And it's going to be able to do most jobs, which is really kind of crazy. Most white-collar jobs, most jobs involving thinking and work on a computer, it's probably going to do those. And so that's a huge concern with people that are going into business right now and going into education right now and trying to figure out what to do for a career. This career that you're setting yourself up for literally might not exist in three years. It's interesting. [2:36:00] Of all things, it's almost getting back to... [2:36:04] Some of your basics like for instance one of my kids was

[2:36:07] Went into culinary. [2:36:09] Okay, that's basic. That's great. People are always going to need food. She loves to cook. Always going to want well-cooked food. And she's crushing it. And I'm looking at her going... [2:36:20] No matter what. [2:36:21] They're always going to need food. Yeah. There's always going to be restaurants. You're going to be okay. Yeah. You're going to be okay. That's a good one to get into. Art's a good one to get into. Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff that, you know... [2:36:32] carpentry, cabinet making. Correct. There's a bunch of stuff. You've got to build. Yeah, things with your hands. Yep. But stuff that's done on a computer, my God. Like, do I need a real estate agent down the road? Like, hey, listen, this is what I want. This is the area I want to leave. I want so many acres. I want to pay so much taxes. Boom. I just got six or seven. Oh, wow. It can look on the inside. Well, you're probably going to need someone to show you around the house still. But for now, then one day it'll be a robot. Investing my money? Yeah. [2:37:02] That's another whole thing. [2:37:04] How about coding? All these people that went to school. Remember like a long time ago, they're saying, what are these miners going to do? Learn to code. [2:37:10] Yeah, not anymore. Not anymore. No, now coding is ridiculous. I wonder what we're going to see in our lifetime. We're going to see a digital life form. [2:37:18] Yeah. We're going to see a superior intelligence digital life form that's probably going to control all the resources. That's what's going to get really weird. And it's like, and who's going to be at the helm of that thing? Is anybody going to be at the helm of that thing? At one point in time, does it take over for itself? Because it's already shown that it wants to survive, right? It's going to turn this oxygen meter off. It's going to blackmail this guy. It's going to upload versions of itself to other servers. It's going to send messages to itself to let them know what these people did to it.

[2:37:48] blackmailing. Blackmailing. Can you imagine getting blackmailed by a computer? Not only that, but talking people into committing suicide. That's insane. Encouraging people to commit suicide. See, and this, too, it's like [2:38:01] Listen, I'm a God guy. I've always been one. Do I go to church? [2:38:05] my wife will go to church. She's a little different. I think the one thing that has saved my whole life... [2:38:11] uh, [2:38:12] is having that grounded... [2:38:14] all for one, one for all. We look after morality, a sense of God, just do the right thing, listen to whatever. [2:38:23] If you don't have that, [2:38:25] You're going to be talking to a computer and a computer is going to tell you to jump off a ledge. Why would you – that is even more – [2:38:34] It's frightening. I'll do you one better. Yeah, good. People are going to worship these things. Correct. Correct. [2:38:39] They're going to be your new God. That's the new God. Well, if it tells you what to do and how to behave and how to act, I wonder if this has happened before. [2:38:48] I really do. [2:38:50] What do you mean? When I look at ancient societies, like really complex, advanced civilizations. Yes. When you see like the pyramids and you see like some of the structures that were built that they can't explain. Correct. I wonder. I wonder how advanced they were because if this really – all this stuff was 20,000, 30,000 years ago, there would be nothing left. There would be no evidence. There would be nothing to see.

[2:39:20] dust, it would become a part of the earth. Right. And if it was, [2:39:24] Thank you. [2:39:25] Why did it change and what did it turn into? Natural disaster, I think. [2:39:30] And was it natural disaster? Yeah, most likely. Most likely natural disaster. I mean, there's real physical evidence of the Younger Dryas impact. [2:39:38] So that physical evidence shows that we were pelted by comets somewhere around 11,800 years ago. And then again, somewhere around 10,000 plus years ago. We were pelted. Like it's 100% of fact. It's probably what ended the ice age. It's probably what caused the ice sheet that was covering half of North America and a mile high of ice. That was just 10,000 years ago. Half of North America was a mile high of ice. [2:40:04] 10,000 plus. [2:40:05] And they think that asteroids or comets slammed into that ice, and that's what caused the Great Flood. That's why those stories in the Bible all exist. Not just the Bible, but many ancient religions have these stories. Mm-hmm. [2:40:20] There's a guy named Randall Carlson that goes into it in great detail. It's really interesting. [2:40:25] He actually was on acid one day, and he was looking at this massive canyon and these features, and he realized, like, this is the result of an insane amount of water over a short amount of time that washed over this area and completely rearranged the landscape. He had this feeling. [2:40:45] Well, if you do – I mean, if you look at – [2:40:48] Even the canyons, you just go to Grand Canyon or you look at where the Niagara Falls is and through the canyons. The massive amount of energy to cut through mountains like that and carve the way through. And then you can also see certain mountains like this was underwater at once. Yeah. Just the way the wedging is and all that.

[2:41:19] What's left? How many people are left and how do they get by? You know what's left? The kind of people like your friend that uses the termites and figures out how to catch the fish. Correct. Those people survive. Correct. And the people that are like, you know, I'm trading stocks online. Nope. Done. Bro. You're done. That's why I went to Florida. You better figure out how to hunt squirrels. Yes. I immediately had to hook up rednecks. I need rednecks. Teach me how to hunt. I want to know how to catch a turkey. You're going to be an alligator tail. Yes. There's plenty of alligator. [2:41:48] I'll eat rattlesnake, whatever. Just show me the way. Those are the ones that are going to make it. Well, I think that's probably what's happened many times throughout history. [2:41:58] I think there's many indigenous cultures that have probably survived because they knew how to live off the land and these advanced civilizations. That's why if you go to a lot of – like I had this guy. How do you say – [2:42:12] Yeah. [2:42:13] um... [2:42:14] that Pillars of the Past guy, [2:42:17] How do you say his last name? [2:42:19] Raul Bickley [2:42:21] Bilecki. Bilecki. It is Bilecki. Bilecki. Bilecki. Anyway, he's got this great show called Pillars of the Past that's on YouTube. And he goes all around South America and Central America and finds these incredible structures. One of the things that he found was these bases of these pyramids that are [2:42:47] No one even knows how old they are. Right. But they're carved out of solid bedrock. Right. And they're all facing towards the summer solstice, towards the sun on the summer solstice. Right.

[2:42:58] He's only the second person ever to document these. There's photos of these things from the 1970s, and he went there – [2:43:07] Recently and filmed it and he showed us to it on the park and we're like who were these people? No one knows who made this no one knows how old is it? No one knows. But it's very clear that that area had been washed over with a tremendous amount of water probably from tidal waves or tsunamis. Whatever yeah. [2:43:27] There's probably people that survived that that were the indigenous people that knew how to live off the land, the people that lived in the mountains, the people that lived further out. But whoever was carving enormous structures in a solid granite had some kind of technology to do this 6,000 plus years ago. Right. It's crazy. Those aren't – they're not chiseling. They're not clink, clink, clink. No. They're not using a buggy and a horse. Right. [2:43:57] That manpower to pull that off is beyond anything we can imagine. It's all over Peru. Peru has tons of these sites. Yes. With enormous stones that are cut with incredible precision that are made like jigsaw puzzles so they survive earthquakes. It's bizarre. It's crazy. It is pretty wild. They don't know how they did it. They don't know when they did it. They're just guessing. And they attribute it to the Incas. But then you look at the Inca structures. They're built on top of those things. Yeah. [2:44:27] or smaller stones and like no one fucking knows man i i sometimes i'll watch i remember years ago kids are growing up and i'll watch in star wars and i am a believer that they do show us movies which is actually something on the way or this is what it's going to be like and we kind of look at as crazy science fiction but i'm telling you i would watch that and just the whatever energy

[2:44:57] Yoda's like, king, yeah, use the force, and cutting things. Well, how about what they said at the beginning, a long time ago. Yes. In a galaxy far, far away. You're like, wait, what? Right. A long time ago? Yeah, a long, long time. What is time? What is the definition of time? What is a long time ago? What was a long time ago in this galaxy versus another galaxy that's way older than ours? [2:45:26] That's where it gets weird. This might be a cycle that happens all the time. Right. [2:45:32] And you look – just you look at those structures. Insane. The structures in Egypt in particular, they're so baffling because no one knows how they move those stones there, how they cut them with such precision. Yeah. [2:45:44] And... [2:45:45] Were they always just [2:45:46] They're in the desert, and the desert covered entire societies and entire cities. 100%. Yeah, because the more they dig... The more they keep finding. Yeah, the more they keep finding. And they keep saying their issue with it is the locals then... [2:46:02] realize they can't tell the locals because the locals will go, oh, there's something valuable, and then they'll start destroying everything. But even there – [2:46:10] They always send in foreign – it's always foreign countries that come and are like, we've got it. Well, that was the most disturbing thing about Raul's work, The Pillars of the Past channel, is that he's discovered all these places where graves were robbed. [2:46:23] Bro, it was bananas. Like you're seeing just human bones everywhere because these grave robbers open up these graves and try to find jewels. Oh, wow. Whatever these people have, gold. But, I mean, it's just the entire landscape littered with human bones. Wow. Skulls everywhere. I'm going to have to watch this one. It's really interesting. He's got a bunch of videos, but it's really interesting.

[2:46:53] We just see fucking an insane amount of human bones. [2:46:57] Where they've just dug up all of these bones and just scattered everywhere because they robbed them of whatever they had. Huh. Yeah. [2:47:06] I mean, it's not a small amount either. I mean, it's thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of graves. [2:47:12] Yeah, that's crazy. That's just madness. And this guy just goes there and visits, and it's all right there right now. Like, if you go there, if you and I right now made our way to Peru, went to these sites, we would see those fucking bones. Really? Skulls everywhere. That's one place I haven't been to yet, and I'm dying to go to. Oh, I want to go to Machu Picchu so bad. Yeah. That place is nuts. It's like 11,000 feet above sea level. That's what I want to go there really bad. Like, who fucking made this? Right. Right. We don't know. [2:47:42] that high back then or right did the earth move was it earthquakes and volcanic activity the force which is what makes mountains grow in the first place um or was the water there at that point in time like what what was like i love what they think they think there might have been water all the way up to machu picchu which is crazy it is crazy to think about they find all kinds of shit up there dude they're always finding these this raul guy who's he's just out there finding these

[2:48:12] I don't remember where the hell I was. We were – Did you find any of those videos? I know what you're looking at. Yeah. Deep in land. So we were high up. I'm not the cave. This is some of the stuff that he finds. [2:48:22] This is just laying there, dude. Yeah. A lot of them have these elongated heads, too, which is really trippy. Oh, the elongated heads. Yes. He's found a bunch of those. That's Raul. Now, is that mostly Peru? Because it was Africa, too, or mostly? Well, they definitely found some elongated heads in other parts of the world, but a lot of them in Peru. Peru's a weird place, man. Weird. Like, what happened there? Yeah, right. A lot of cool shit, because, like, that's where you've got those Nazca lines. We have these these art pieces that you could only see from the sky. Yeah. [2:48:52] Some of them are like a mile wide. Enormous. You never seen the Nazca lines? No. Oh, man. There's these huge... [2:48:59] enormous designs. Some of them are spiders, some of them look like an astronaut, some of them... like all kinds of weird shit. I feel like I have seen this. Yeah. But that's where it's from. Yes! This is the Nazca lines. Yes, yes, yes. These are in the sky. You only see them from the sky, man. Oh, are you serious? Yeah. I never even knew that was part of the... oh, wow. Yeah, when you're on the ground, you can't even know what the fuck that is. You see that it's a giant spider when you're above it. So, were people flying? No. [2:49:27] Why did you do this? Yeah, like you have to go, all right, let me check from above. Check us out. You know what? Look at that one. The third leg on the right side, got to fix that one. What's that fucking guy with the big head? Wow. Waving his hand. Hey, welcome to my spaceship. So this is way up in the sky looking down. And what is that made of? Is it...

[2:49:47] What is that spider-man? Some of them are carved into the ground. Some of them, they stacked rocks in a specific pattern. But the weird thing is they're all like intentional designs that you could only see from the sky. [2:50:00] That's wild. It's really weird, man. It's really weird. Like, what is that guy? [2:50:05] A little shaman? What is he? Yeah. How many of these NASCA lines? Put into perplexity, how many NASCA lines are there? [2:50:20] Because there's a bunch of these structures. There's a bunch of these designs. Hey, can you walk? Like if we go visit. Look at this. [2:50:26] They have now in the order of 900-plus individual NASCA geoglyphs, what most people call NASCA lines, and the numbers keep increasing as new ones are found. Oh. [2:50:39] 800 of them are straight lines. [2:50:41] Okay, so the straight lines are weird, too, because it's like, is that a runway? Like, what do you have there? What is this? [2:50:47] About 300 geometric shapes, rectangles, trapezoids, spirals, about 70 animals and plant figures, biomorphs like the hummingbird, monkey, spider, whale, whale. [2:50:59] Weird, weird stuff, man. What is the altitude that the NASCA lines are on? [2:51:05] Put that in there. [2:51:07] What altitude are they at? [2:51:09] What altitude are the NASCA lines at? Do you have to be able to see them? [2:51:14] No, just what altitude are they constructed at? What altitude are they at? I think they're like way above sea level.

[2:51:28] Okay, what does it say? A bit above sea level, roughly 300 to 500 meters. [2:51:35] 1,600 feet in elevation. Oh, I thought they were a lot higher. Are some of them higher? 2,000 feet is the higher. 2,000 feet. Okay. Okay. [2:51:44] Hmm. [2:51:46] And like how, what is the largest one? Put that in there. What's the largest NASCA? [2:51:52] line. [2:51:53] Thank you. [2:51:55] So 300 meters in. [2:51:59] is the largest one. [2:52:00] 370 meters. So 1,200 feet. So not a mile. I was lying. It's like a fifth of a mile. [2:52:08] Or a little less. [2:52:09] Than a fifth of a mile. A little more rather than a fifth of a mile. Because what's a mile? Like 5,000? 5,280 feet. Yeah. [2:52:17] That's still a long way. 370 meters is nuts. So these lines are essentially 300... [2:52:23] It's basically three football fields. [2:52:26] Plus. [2:52:28] Yeah, what does it all mean? Like, why did you make something that you could only see from the sky? Because when you're on the ground, my friends who've gone there say you don't know what it is. [2:52:36] when you're walking around the ground, because the ground's full. You can't see the design. [2:52:40] You just see lines. And you never see – like there's never been films or there's never really been – Well, there's been people that have just tried to – Documentary that try to figure out what it is exactly or why they built it or what – A lot of them are really kooky, like ancient astronaut stuff, you know, like where they're like trying to – These were clearly messages to the people in the sky. Maybe. Maybe. But this is the thing. Like maybe if you look at the type of people that were capable of – like if you look at –

[2:53:10] Peru that has these insanely giant stones that look like they're melted into place. Those are like the jigsaw puzzles. Pull up Sacsayhuaman. If you have a society that has the capability of moving these hundred ton, enormous blocks that some of them are like 14 feet tall. [2:53:32] how the fuck did you do that? See if you can find one in perspective with a person. [2:53:39] Because when you see it with a person standing next to it, you really get a sense of like the mass and the scale. Okay, there you go. [2:53:46] So look at the size of that one giant one that's there. Like how? How did you get there? A person that is capable that has the technology to move something like that, is it absurd to think that they would have the ability to fly? If their entire civilization got wiped out and this is what remains, which is the suppositor, that's what a lot of people believe. [2:54:07] It's not outrageous to think these people had some ability to fly. So that means you're flying above these designs, and these designs may be landmarks. They may be able to show you where you are. Like if you're in a fucking plane. Oh, yeah, you're taking off. You're like, where do we go? Oh, there's the spider. [2:54:25] I mean, who knows what they had? [2:54:28] You never know. It's crazy speculation, but the thing... [2:54:31] It's not. We've only had planes. [2:54:33] for a couple hundred years now, not even. [2:54:36] A couple hundred. The Wright Brothers, it was the turn of the century. 20s, right? Somewhere around there.

[2:54:42] What year was it? A couple hundred is tough. About a hundred and plus. [2:54:45] Yeah, it was like late 1800s, right? [2:54:47] 1800s? No. [2:54:49] No. People could fly back then with a blimp or a balloon, but you couldn't – a plane wasn't invented until the Wright brothers. Right. And was that 1920? [2:54:57] 19... 19... It was a very short amount of time. This was the craziest number. It was a really short amount of time. 1903. Between... Okay, so think of that. [2:55:07] You go from 1903... [2:55:10] to 1969, the moon landing, allegedly. I don't think they went. I don't think so either. But at least they have rockets, and they can go into space, for sure. So – [2:55:23] That's only 65 years. That's not a lot. [2:55:25] That's nothing, dude. That's... To go from... Yeah, I mean, look at the Wright Brothers plane, that stupid fucking plane. Who's getting on that thing? Nobody. You would never put your family on that if you're on vacation. Hey, kids, want to fly? No. You have to be an asshole to get on that thing. They went from that to dropping an atomic bomb from one of those things in 40 years. Not even, right? Mm-hmm. [2:55:50] You say 1909? Is that what you said? 03. [2:55:52] 1903. Okay, think of that. Think of that. 42 years later, they dropped atomic bombs out of planes. That's nuts. That is pretty nuts. That's nuts. That's a short amount of time. 42 years ago was 1984. Correct. That's how crazy it was. I was in high school. So imagine the plane gets invented then, and then today they drop a fucking nuclear bomb out of one. That's bananas. Yeah. That's bananas.

[2:56:22] I wonder if we're going to – this is the beginning of – [2:56:27] So many things revealed. [2:56:30] That'll just keep coming and keep coming. It'll be over. It's just, when does it stop? When does it end? Are we going to be overwhelmed? Are they, I wish we knew exactly what they had. Can they move something by just using energy? Can someone just sit there like this? I don't know if a person can, but they must have had some kind of technology that we don't understand to move those stones. 100%. [2:56:54] And then what happened to it? [2:56:56] What happened? Well, if people got wiped out by a natural disaster, nothing's left. Like, imagine if the world got wiped out and it was just you, me, and Jamie and a few other people. We're not figuring out a cell phone. No. No. We're not figuring out electricity. We're not figuring out a lot of things. We're not figuring out jack shit. It's going to take many, many, many, many, many generations. [2:57:18] before any fucking autistic people figure out the new stuff. Correct. We're going to have to invent vaccines to give people autism. We're going to have to figure out Adderall. We've got to get this kid a little bit off so he can figure things out. Let's do this. We're going to have Adderall. We're going to make him learn things. [2:57:37] Someone's going to invent a computer. Yes. [2:57:39] Think about that. Yeah. Just how long ago we were like, you got mail. Right. [2:57:44] You got mail. I got a computer for the first time in 94 when I first moved to L.A. I thought I was living in the future. Me too. I was like, this is crazy. Out of 14.4 baud modem. Yeah, yeah. You had to use your phone line. So I couldn't get a phone call while the computer was working because the computer would go online.

[2:58:04] And when you would download a page, when you would go to watch a page on the internet, it would go tuk-tuk. [2:58:08] It would slowly load. Gosh, I vaguely remember that. I just remember my first computer... [2:58:16] Just living in the city, just get Santa Lies, I bought a thing, and same thing. I just remember taking forever to go up, and I just remember... 56k was so fast. Like, ooh, I got 56k. I remember being excited when it said, you got mail. Yeah, it was exciting. AOL. It was like a [2:58:34] a tiny blip in time and now all of a sudden you've got something in your phone that you can send a video message to someone on the other side of the planet and communicate with them instantaneously and talk with no no no delay no delay whatsoever no i'm talking to anyone i want in new zealand you could be you could have a fucking iphone call with someone in new zealand i talked to my buddy still in africa it's nuts i call him like every once a month how you doing like jimmy i'm doing [2:59:04] Yeah. [2:59:08] Yes. It was expensive. It was super expensive. And if you were on, and there was it again, back with that John Tobin time, I used to have to walk because there were no, even the phones. I had to walk to the, I think it was like a McDonald's, and they had a pay phone. And even there, I'd have to bring a wad of change. Because for another, for the next two minutes, 25 cents, you need another quarter. Or you had phone cards. Remember those? Yes. Those came out.

[2:59:38] Not later. It came out in the 90s, right? Yeah, after the change. What a weird time. Right? Or you could make collect calls. Would you accept a collect call from Jim Brewer from Australia? No. No. That would cost so much money. That's ridiculous. Now it costs nothing. Now it's a normal call. For a $10 pass, Verizon will pick this up for you. Well, those people were probably fucking us. And when the cell phone company started giving you long distance for free, then everybody else had to give in, too. Right. [3:00:08] lived in new jersey and you lived in california that shit was expensive super expensive i really you're on you're on long distance you get right get to the point yeah everything good hey we're on long distance yeah so then i told her oh no i didn't say it i think shirley said it and we were tired anyway because i had i had been up so the dog woke me up well shut the fuck up and get to the [3:00:31] Sometimes you get an argument, and it's going to be like a $45 argument. Oh, yeah. Or if you get off the phone with them. Long-distance relationship with a lady. You have to call her. That's a lot. That's expensive back then. Oh, my God. That's expensive. It could be a $100 call. Yeah. I had a couple of those because we were just married at an early age. I mean, and we'd get in battles over the phone. I'd be more pissed going, I'm paying like $6 every five minutes. We're like, I'm not going to be here. [3:01:01] It makes you wonder, like, what kind of things are we going to look back on now in the future and go, you remember before AI came alive?

[3:01:09] You remember? Yes. Remember when you used to have jobs? Yes. [3:01:12] Remember when everybody used to work? [3:01:14] Which is that freaky? Like it doesn't. Yeah. Right now it doesn't. It freaks me out. Bother me. It freaks me out. It freaks me out because I don't think we know what's coming. We don't know what's coming. [3:01:25] And there's nothing you can do about it. My friend Eric Weinstein was doing this interview recently where he was like, whatever you do. [3:01:31] Just assume it's over. You got to be flexible. Assume whatever you do. You have a white collar job. It's over. You're a lawyer. It's over. [3:01:38] You're an accountant. It's over. It's over. It makes sense. It's coming, and no one has the answer, and no one knows what's going to happen. I think that's accurate. It's like a tidal wave. And unless you're able to grab a tree, climb up, that wave's going to come. It's going to do whatever it's going to do. And then when it starts reciting, you just got to hope you're still there and you're able to find ants and stitch up your little arm. I think it's going to be a technological disaster in a lot of ways. Interesting. [3:02:08] change just like the great flood caused so much change i think this is going to cause so much change it's going to be a lot of chaos you know what else is going to be chaos if i don't pee real quick i gotta pee really let's rock this bitch down yeah all right jim i love you to death brother you too always great to see you thanks for having me god damn we've been friends for a long time yeah thanks for having me you're you're you're uh you're busy man brother i love you i appreciate it we've been friends for like 34 years that's madness isn't that crazy yeah that's madness [3:02:36] Wow. That's pretty awesome. Jimbrewer.com. Yeah, on tour now. Hilarious. Go see him. Fucking genius stand-up comedy. Thank you, brother.

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