JRE MMA Show #177 - Protect Ya Neck

[00:01] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:11] Hello, boys. My bad! What's up, bro? We're back in action. We're back! [00:18] We're back! We were just talking and I told Rallo to get off. I told Rallo, save this for the air. Because Rallo years ago, shit, this had to be like at least 10 years ago. [00:30] 20 years ago? That was like 2006, 2007. That's crazy. So 20 years ago, Rallo calls me up and he says, Tommy Lee wants to meet you. He wants to talk to you about something. I go, okay, sure. So we go to see his concert. That was when he was at Rock and Roll Supernova, the TV show. Yeah, it was a TV show. That's right. So he had a TV show. It was at Long Beach. Right, right. It was a good show. You and Eddie came. Me and Eddie Bravo came. And then afterwards, first of all, Tommy Lee has the dopest green room. Like he sets his green room up like a fucking after hours party. [01:00] candles and light yeah you're walking like damn like his dj gear yeah he doesn't just walk into a cold green room like i'm lazy yeah if i go on the road i just what's your green room i'll go hang out in there it's like it doesn't just walk but he has it set up like everywhere is like calm and relaxing and spiritual and uh so i meet tommy and tommy wants a fight kid rock in the ufc

[01:30] This is how it started. This is kind of how it started. That was that way with Pam. Yeah. Like, you know, they both were married to her. [01:38] So... [01:40] Tommy and her are always going to be connected because of the kids. So she had split up with Kid Rock. [01:46] And Kid Rock was emailing her, texting her, I guess, you know, still trying to get with her. Tommy is with her. [01:52] not together, but, you know, they were together that day. And she asked him, you know, you're friends with him. Can you call him and tell him to stop? [02:01] Calling me and shit. [02:02] And Tommy's like, I don't want to get in the middle of that shit. Oh, boy. And she's like, you know, please. So he winds up hitting him up and like, look, dude, I don't really want to make this call, blah, blah, blah. Of course, Kid Rock. [02:15] took the heat, fuck you, you know, blah, blah, sir, fucking each other back and forth goes away. [02:22] Now – [02:23] there was some mtv awards thing okay and uh actually let me back up first we were in vegas for a new year's thing and there was this rumor that kid rock was supposed to come with his body guard and like and come to tommy's room and attack us so me my man chemo who you know as well um you know we're sleeping in tommy's room hoping they show up and uh [02:48] Of course, they go to a different room. They do go to a room, kick a door in. I think totally for... So they actually went looking for him? For real? I don't think they went looking for him. I think it was a big publicity stunt. Busted up the wrong room. They signed some autographs, and they keep it moving. So...

[03:03] I'm saying to Tommy, I go, yo, dude, I go, fuck him. I go, you should fight him on pay-per-view. Imagine all the money that we make. I go, I'll fight his fucking security guy. Like, we'll fucking make a whole thing of it. And he goes, man, that's brilliant. [03:17] Oh, my God. So I go, you know, I'm telling you, I said, look, either... [03:24] You fight him and you beat him up or he punks out and you win either way. And he's like, yeah, I like this. So he talks to his management. Of course, it just goes by the wayside. Well, they're having some MTV Awards shit. Security's not allowed on the floor there. It was in a casino. They have security for it. While he's sitting in there with Pam, Kid Rocklake comes up kind of behind him and pokes him. [03:54] Rocksuckers him... [03:55] there he hit him yeah what and i'm home my phone is getting blown the fuck up like what happened with tommy what happened with tommy i'm like i don't fucking know like i'm not with him right now and uh [04:06] I get a call. I swear like 30 minutes later and it's Tommy. And he's going, fuck him. He goes, I'm done with that motherfucker. I want to fight him. I want to fucking fight him now. I go, Hughes, I want you to train me. I go, he goes, I'm going to move you out. I go, no, you're moving to me. I go, we're not going to be out here with all your little fucking ass kissers. I said, if you're going to do it, you're really going to do it. Is he working out at all at the time? No. So, you know, the only working out he does is on the drums, which he does murder.

[04:36] That is a little bit of arm conditioning. Yeah, for sure. That's like a little punchy. Definitely. And I can show you a picture of him with a choke on me, and it's legit. Like, he did train with Horian, and I told you guys, he trained some with Billy Blanks. [04:51] Billy Blanks was, I've talked about this on the podcast, he was a bad motherfucker and he's dead. He was one of those, like, Raymond Daniels-type karate point-fighting characters. He's a Taibo guy. He's a Taibo guy, but we'll get to that later. [05:06] So I bring him in and I told him, I said, look, when we're going to Long Beach, I said, I know Rogan. I can have him come in and you can tell him your idea. And he goes, all right, all right. So I bring Joe and Eddie. They meet him. He tells Joe he wants to fight him. [05:23] literally and [05:25] Tommy said his sanctuary was his management company at the time. I don't know if he still is or not. So they call Kid Rock's people, supposedly, and they, [05:36] all for this fucking fight on pay-per-view. And... [05:40] Kid Rock's people wound up calling back and basically turning it down, saying whoever loses is ruined for life, I guess, because looking like a bitch because they both have the rock and roll, tough guy, image thing. [05:55] Did he say that in print? That's literally how it stopped. Was that in print? Whoever loses this is ruined? No, no, no. That was supposedly the response from Kid Rock's management to Tommy's management.

[06:10] That is correct. He would be correct. Yeah, but if it's a good fight... [06:14] Like a Stefan Bonner and Boris Ritz. Oh, my God. Well, that would be different. Then they both win. That would be revolutionary. I kind of forget who won that fight. [06:23] Stefan Bonner, Forrest Gryffindor. I know Forrest won, but I kind of forget because the fight was so good. That was one of the most toss-up fights of all time. Who fucking knows who won that fight? And Dana did the right thing. He contracted Bozo. We actually talked about it in the Octagon right before he did it. Wow. Did you really? Yeah, he should give both these motherfuckers a bonus. He's like, we're going to do that. I'm like, fuck yeah. [06:45] It was amazing. Do you think if it wasn't for the ultimate fighter, it would have died out? Who knows, man? But it was like lightning in a bottle. Because there was another good fight before that. Diego Sanchez. Fuck Kenny Florian up, man. That was a one-way beating. But that was Diego Sanchez coming up. People got to see Diego fight too many fights. They got to see the later fights. They forgot what a monster Diego was in his prime. Cardio animal. The question is grappling. [07:15] He hung with one of the best of all time. Just in ADCC. Yeah. Diego was a fucking... I don't know. Listen, man. You can only get hit so many times. Agreed. And he was halfway gone before taking all the shots. Well, he was always like this open-minded, weird thinker. Remember he had that guy that was training him that you had a little bit of a disagreement with? What about that loser? Joshua Fabia. Yeah, don't mention his name. Cut that part out here. That guy was demented.

[07:45] The video's insane. [07:50] But Diego was like super, super open-minded. [07:53] Like he was willing to believe in magic. He was, you know what I'm saying? Like he believed in himself so much that Diego was like, and he was also like doing weird stuff. Like he would chew meat and spit it out. He would just chew it down. [08:06] like get all the juices from it and then spit whatever's left out you wouldn't swallow the meat but he was fun to watch he was a fucking animal. Steve Maxwell trained him. [08:20] for the fight with BJ Penn and got him in insane shape. But unfortunately, that was the fight where BJ started. That was when BJ was training with the Marinovichs. He was leaping out of pools. BJ was unstoppable back then. There was a time where I would say, watch BJ in his prime. I'll put that dude up against anybody. [08:38] This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Paramount+. UFC history is going down at the White House. It's the world's greatest fights on America's biggest stage. Watch UFC Freedom 250 at the White House live today only on Paramount+. [08:58] This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. [09:09] Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know –

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[11:16] slash J-R-E for 30% off. Terms apply. Yeah, there's no doubt. I always say he's the best 55er of all time. He was a Wolverine. In that window, right? In that window when he beat Matt Hughes. [11:29] Yeah, he was a human Wolverine. Yeah. But you did a lot better than... [11:34] with him than I did. I didn't want to bring that out. You did. But you had elite world championship caliber jujitsu. Yeah. You know what I mean? And a guy like him relies on jujitsu a lot. [11:45] But BJ was just – there's two fights. The Kenny – I'm sorry. Sean Shirk fight. The Sean Shirk fight was prime BJ. Yeah. Prime BJ. And then Diego Sanchez. What about Joe Stevens? What about Caro Uno? That's another one, too. But Diego was more highly ranked than Joe. Yeah. He wrecked Caro Uno. He was a beast. Look what he did to Matt Hughes when he took the title. Yeah. He was a beast. Matt Hughes was just like, you're coming up to my weight class? Yeah. That type of thing. He was a Wolverine. [12:15] He fought Leoto Machida at 200 pounds. That's crazy. He was a Wolverine. He did good about that. Fucking animal. And did real good. Scary on the feet. A natural 55er who fought as low as 45. Remember he went down to 45 for a while. [12:33] Bro, BJ was a monster in his prime. He was well-rounded, too, before... [12:36] guys were super well-rounded. Like, he threw hands well. If he just had the will to go through those Marinovich camps every fight, he would have been unstoppable. BJ would, you know, he would just lose his focus a little bit. I watched a YouTube documentary about, like, the rise and trajectory and then the later years. It was really well done. But it was all just talking about how there's this prime BJ, and that's when he was training with the Marinovichs

[13:06] worry about his conditioning do you think he it wasn't laziness right what do you think it was a lot of friends a lot of parties yeah yeah yeah he's the king of the island yeah that's basically the king of hawaii for sure pg pen was the king everywhere he would go people like it's pg i mean he was a king in vegas man in in those prime years when he was a champ he was a huge star so i'm sure he's a huge star in helo probably hanging out with the boys all the time having a good time plus his [13:36] poverty, but it's just like it just was real hard to maintain those kind of camps. Those camps are insane. He was also super, super talented. Super talented. And so it's like [13:46] he didn't have to work as hard to still beat up people. Like in practice. It definitely came easy. His flexibility and leg dexterity was... Oh my goodness. I remember when I fought him and we were doing a rules meeting. This is the time where we could ask questions. They did everybody in a rules meeting. And I'm in the rules meeting and Frank Shamrock was in his corner. And Frank's like... [14:06] Are we allowed to, in guard, kick him in the head? I'm like, what the hell? Like, he was talking about his flexibility just wrapping around the back of my head and kicking me in the head from there. And I was like, what the hell? Is this guy insane? Right. I was like, how the hell is he going to be able to kick me in the head from there? But apparently BJ had that flexibility to be able to do that. He put his feet behind his head. He could do double Lotus without using his hands. That's crazy. Like, sit back and just fucking completely crump. But Lotus. Yeah.

[14:36] interlocked [14:38] With no hands. That's insane. Yeah. [14:40] His flexibility is bananas. Yeah. And he worked on it. It wasn't just like a natural gift, but how smart was he to figure out if you could use your legs like you could use your arms? They're so much fucking stronger. Right. Yeah. [14:53] There he is. That's nuts, man. Look at that. He can put his own fucking leg behind his head with no hands. That's crazy flexibility. [15:03] Nah. I'd say he was going to kick you while you were north-south. Yeah. I'm like, is he going to do that? That is nuts. But is that legal? No. Nah. There's a lot of goofy rules, right? Like, that's, there's a, I don't think it would be cool to stomp people in the head and soccer kick them. But at least knees to the head. Knees to the head should be okay. For sure. Because if you're shooting on a single and you're holding on to it and your head's right there, that's a stupid place to be in real life. Yeah. Right? Right. [15:33] real fight. Why wouldn't the guy knee you in the head? You're grabbing his knee. You're all him right here. All he has to do is knee you in the face, and he can't do it because you're on your knees. Let's be fair. A knee when somebody's on their feet is worse than that. [15:47] Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not as bad. Oh, yeah, it's way more behind it. Yeah, that's not as bad. Like, if you're on the floor and I knee you in the head, that's still not as bad as if me just kneeing you right in the face. Yes. Yeah. Especially if you're, like, the Michael Venom-Page fight. [16:01] The Cyborg. Oh, yeah. The Cyborg. Jesus Christ. If you ever want to know, what's the most destructive strike in MMA? Yeah. The most amount of power you can generate has got to be a knee. A flying knee. While a guy's coming in. When a guy's, like, shooting in on you. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the...

[16:18] Yeah. [16:19] The jab, the kick to the knee. I agree. I'm not a fan of that. Oblique kick? I agree. Side kick to the knee. You saw what happens if you hit it right when Khalil did it. He did Modestus. Yeah, Modestus. You know, part of my opinion there is it's just something that if you hit it right, an injury's coming and not a good one. You can't tap. It's not like a knee bar or something. Exactly. So I kind of think if you can't kick a guy in the side of the knee for that reason, why should you be able to? [16:46] If you can kick in the knees, you should be able to kick in the nuts. I'm going to be real. I need to be like, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? We're pretending. Wear a cup and I can kick you in the nuts. There's some good cups out there. I'll just get a steel one. It's crazy. Why do we have weird rules like that? It's crazy because every time somebody gets kicked in the nuts, you say it. You always say it. Why don't you get a steel cup? The fact that no one has a steel cup to me after all this time is unbelievable. It's ultimate cheap code. [17:16] in grappling to it. It was somebody with that thing on. Do you guys remember Amir Renovati? Yeah, yeah. That's a long time ago. Yeah, a long time ago. I trained with him at Legends and he mounted me and he put his cup in my solar plexus. Like I was ready to tap from his dick. You know how annoying that is? All right, imagine my 265 doing that. You know what I mean? And I always wore cups when I train, you know? 100% cracked ribs. [17:43] And it's also, fuck that. That's a lever for an armbar? Oh, man. It's like a rock. An e-bar or anything. How are you going to slide your elbow past that? You know, it's a weird fucking look when the guys wear the whole spandex, and they have that steel cup, so they got like a fucking dick in it. The Shoney Carter cup? Yeah, it's fucking super. That's a yellow Romero. You remember that, right? Remember that Shoney Carter cup? I think Eddie fucking talked about it for the entire fight. It was a King of the Cage fight, and Shoney was fighting, and he had a giant cup on.

[18:13] It was hilarious. Bro, in the Taekwondo days, they had ones you'd put on over your pants. So you'd have your gi pants on, and then you'd put these ones on over it, and it had like this big strap. It'd go right up to your taint, like right literally to your asshole, and then go all the way up like this, and you'd strap it in. But it was way better. It was way better. Was it like a boxing cup? No, it was just for Taekwondo. It was just literally designed to wear outside. So you could kick one out of it. And that's when I realized, like, oh, you can never wear regular cups. [18:43] move too much. It's just sitting there and sometimes your nut gets caught between the cup and your leg when you get hit there. It's way worse. And I think maybe the UFC should make that mandatory. 100%. If you have to wear a mouthpiece, why don't you wear compression shorts? Wear those like the diamond MMA ones. That's a cup I have. I like that. Legit. And if you don't want to wear steel, that's fine. You don't want to have dental floss up your asshole. [19:10] It's uncomfortable, but that's [19:12] I would think if I was advising someone, I'd say, get a fucking steel cup before they outlaw it. [19:18] Because they should have outlawed it a long time ago. You should have to wear that, though. I mean, it would eliminate all the nut shots. If you're smart, you would wear a steel cup 100%. If somebody kicks you in the nuts, it'll hurt them more than it hurts you. [19:30] Like, it protects you from everything. It's uncomfortable. That's all it is. Just uncomfortable. Yeah. [19:36] So what? So is fighting. Yeah, so is fighting. So is getting kicked in the nuts. [19:41] Dude, I can't believe it's legal. I really do. It's like one of the – how do you have steel in there? Who has steel? I don't think anybody has a steel gun. A bunch of guys do. Do they? Do you see him? Wore at every fight he had. Oh, shit.

[19:53] Dude, imagine a guy diving on a double and you hip into him. Oh, man. You're slamming his face with your dick. Your dick is covered in metal. Your dick is covered in metal. And that's legal. You have to have pads on your knuckles. Right. [20:09] You have to have pads on your knuckles and you've got an armor plate over your cock. I would definitely wear that if I was fighting. I'm selling them. I'm going to start selling them on my website. [20:23] Because it's like there's no way that should be legal. How is that legal? I don't know. It's fucking metal. You're bringing metal into the equation. A foot can hit metal. A knee can hit metal. And you can do that. And the fact that no one does it. Well, if you guys do it. [20:39] We were talking about different guys who've done it that are currently doing it. And I know DC did it, but there's a few guys who still do it. And we were talking about it on one of the broadcasts. I don't remember which guys he was pointing out, but there's a few guys. Kenny Florian always wore a steel coat. [20:53] But the fact that not everyone does it is with Delagradi. Yeah, for sure. Delagradi for sure. 100%. [20:59] Damn. [21:00] You ever hear when Del Grado starts talking Thai? [21:04] No, I never heard that. He speaks fluent Thai. Does he really? He's got that. He's like a guinea from Boston. Yeah, yeah. From Boston. When he talks, he can talk to Thai people. It freaks them out. Really? Oh, yeah, man. He spent a lot of time in Thailand. [21:17] Combat Sports takes center stage this Saturday with the new DraftKings Predictions app, now available in California, Florida, Texas, and more. You can make real money predictions on Saturday's biggest fights. There's always something to predict. Pick a topic. Make a prediction. Will the main event go the distance? Will there be a knockout? Which fighter will win? Lock in your prediction before the fight or jump in live as the action unfolds.

[21:47] Momentum shifts. You can stay with your position or adjust based on what you're seeing in real time. Download the DraftKings Predictions app today with code ROGEN. New predictions. Customers trade $5 and get $50 in predictions dollars with promo code ROGEN. Don't just feel it. Predict it with DraftKings Predictions. The crown is yours. DraftKings Predictions is a CFTC registered introducing broker. [22:17] Well, he's my man. I go to Boston and stay with him. [22:32] Yeah, and his wife always cooks for me. What a great true bunch of people. He's a maniac. I love that dude. On the Ultimate Fighter 4, we didn't have assigned coaches and he would just work with us like anytime we needed him. Yeah. You know what I mean? He was great. And he would let us tackle him and fucking mount him and fucking, you know what I mean? Yeah, he was awesome. He did jujitsu as well. [22:51] Yeah, he's great, Mark. He's a good dude. He's a really good coach, too. You know who was really impressive working with him was Kevin James. [22:58] Kevin James, you think of him as the King of Queens. He's worked with Mark a lot. And Kevin's been my friend for years. But I really hadn't seen him hit paths. I saw him hit paths with Della Grotti. I was like... [23:09] What the fuck, dude? I'm like, that's good. Like, this looks good. Marco makes you look good. Marco makes you look good. Marco's a good fucking coach, man. He's a really solid coach. Gave Longo a black eye. He sparred one time with Longo, Kevin James. Did he? Longo was walking around like fucking Petey from Little Razz. That's awesome. He's a deceptively fast dude. Yeah, he's athletic. You know, for a big dude. When I first met him, he was jacked. Like, he wasn't as big as he got at one point in time, but he's always kind of seesawed back and forth.

[23:39] karate guy [23:41] He was always doing karate when he was younger. He's super athletic. There he is. It doesn't look as good there. I think that's when he was just getting into it, honestly. But he had Delegrate staying with him a while, and Delegrate was training him. Yeah, I saw him in Kill Cliff, just like blending in with the guys. He wasn't standing out. He was just at Kill Cliff. Just working out? Yeah, blending in with the guys. He's a great guy. I've known him forever. I've just seen him in... [24:08] Either Becky or The Wrath of Becky. Oh, yeah. That's right. It's not a bad show. He plays a psycho. And the girl in it is great. The girl is like a little psycho girl. That's a fun movie. It's fun. Really fun. I think it's the first one called Becky. And he plays a villain. He plays... The other guy that did it was Joel McHale. Joel McHale played the second psycho in one of the other movies. I forget if it was the first or the second one. I think he's in the second one. The Wrath of Becky. Kevin was awesome. He's good. He's in good movies. [24:38] Kevin played a good psycho. Hey, did you ever see the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms? [24:43] No, I haven't seen that yet. I'm telling you. I'm going to watch it, though, because I'm in the middle of finishing the first season of Game of Thrones. The first year, the first all Game of Thrones. Oh, yeah. What, you're doing it over? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you've seen it already. But I haven't seen it since, like, 2015 or 11. It's fucking amazing. I forgot so much. It's fucking awesome. This, you don't even have to... [25:04] watch any of the Game of Thrones, because this takes place 90 years before the first events of the Game of Thrones. Sir Duncan the Tall. Yep. And it is so good. It is good. So well done. And it's based on the novel. I'm a fucking nerd. I read the graphic novel of it by George R.R. Martin. Yeah, yeah. And I read it back in the day. And it was, it's so great.

[25:27] And you know how they have like trial by combat? Yeah. In this one, not to give everything away, but this guy gets into it and he has to do a trial by seven. So it's seven on seven nights. Yep. And it's like one of those things. He's a hedge knight. It's fucking really. Yeah, it's good. What I like about it is. Did you ever watch The House of the Dragon? Yes. Yeah. [25:45] It's a lot of cool shit, but there's no one to root for. They're a bunch of pricks. One's worse than the other. I mean, back in Game of Thrones, Jon Snow, Ned Stork, even some guys that are... [26:00] Even just great characters. Some guys that are on The Hound, the anti-hero. But with this one, it's just a fucking good, solid dude trying to do the right thing. And... [26:13] And by trying to do the right thing, he gets into some trouble. And it just – it gives you like – [26:19] It's like... [26:20] like being righteous and have like real heroics like you know what I mean like some shit that's missing nowadays because it's all about getting a fucking message in there or making such a diverse which I love though. You know what's really funny about that? Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones was like a feminist series. [26:42] If you really think about it. I mean, it really was. But without any fanfare. Like, no bringing it up. No one paid attention to it. But the baddest people on that show were the women. Cersei Lannister was the baddest bitch in the world. Arya Stark fucking killed everybody. Brienne of Tarth. Her character turned out great. All that shit. Brienne of Tarth fucked everybody up, including the Hound. Yeah. I didn't realize. Then you got the Queen of Dragons. Yes, and you got Daenerys. Yeah, yeah.

[27:12] You literally can't burn her. And she's got three dragons. It's a feminist series. I didn't realize that. It is. It's a completely feminist series, but without... It never even crosses your mind. It doesn't cross your mind because it's so good you don't care. It's not... [27:26] It's not like dumb. You haven't watched that scene? No, I did. And House of Dragons is the same way. Right. There's some of these Star Wars movies where it's all women generals and you're like, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. And all the men are scared of them and they all get out of the room. This is fiction. This is nonsense. This is fiction. [27:48] And [27:49] Even though that's obviously fiction, too, it's way better. A lady that has dragons, the hottest bitch around, she's got dragons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She fucks a bunch of killers. Yeah. She brings them into her bed. Well, because they do a good job of making them. Like barbarians. Well, they do such a good job of making them flawed. [28:06] But you don't even realize that they are the baddest motherfuckers in the world. But they're flawed in a way where it's like it makes them human. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look at Cersei Lannister. All of her kids gone. That bitch survives. She's got a giant demon that watches over her. Yeah. Like she's in love with her brother. She fucks her brother. And her brother. Maybe when she had the – well, spoiler alert. When she had the priest that tortured her while she was in the cell when they finally got her. Yeah. And she's like, I'm ready to meet my maker. [28:36] not going to die today oh man and then and then the mouth of the fucking john rollo taking oh my god that was such a horrifying scene it was such a great show is there a better like world the other thing universe no no one was safe on that show you never knew that that biggest character could just get fucking murked it's like the next episode page of pedro

[29:06] Oh, yeah. When he got killed by the mountain. Prince of Dorian. First of all, I never thought they would kill him. Like, that guy's an important character. He's bringing all this new life to the show. And all of a sudden, you see the mountain. Get his knuckles into that guy's eyeballs. Yeah, that was so crazy. Holy fuck. That was like one of the most disturbing murder scenes you've ever seen in your life. And he was doing great. He was taking a shit out of him. He got too cocky. Yeah, man. But worked him over. Thought he had him. You raped her. You murdered her. You killed her children. Some shit like that. [29:36] Yeah, and strutting around while the mountain's on his back. Yeah. What a crazy show. Such a good show. One of the greatest shows of all time. I'm telling you. You got to text me after you watch The Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Because it's all out. You can binge it. I'm going to do it as soon as we're done with this. We're on like season seven now. Six episodes. Each episode's like 30 minutes of some shit. Right. You run through it. The House of Dragons never really dragged me in. It didn't. It was interesting. Yeah. I liked it. But it wasn't the same thing. Definitely not. [30:06] I think the new one is, in my opinion, better, I thought. Oh, the knight. Yeah, the knight. So good. There's parts in it that just get you going like, fuck yeah. Yeah, hell yeah. I'm looking forward to it. I hope they lengthen it a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Six half hour episodes. But I love the relationship between the kid and the dunk. That was the whole show, right? One thing I did love about House of Dragons, when they were trying to figure out who could ride a dragon. Oh, that was cool. And they brought all those people down there.

[30:36] Oh, yeah. [30:38] You have to have some Targaryen blood. And a lot of Targaryens fucked a lot of regular people, so they were searching for Targaryen blood, just taking people out of the pub and just pushing them in front of the dragon. That was crazy. She first asked one of the king's guard, like, you know, we tracked you back to whatever. And he's like, oh, it's a great honor. No, I want to do it. Yeah, buddy. Careful what you wish for, motherfucker. That scene was nuts. That scene was nuts. Dude, the red wedding. Fucking hell. That was a crazy shit ever. [31:06] I didn't believe it was happening. No. Why was it happening? This can't be happening. Because we're taking everybody. This can't be happening. This can't be happening. Did you hate the ending as much as everybody else? I did not enjoy it. [31:15] It felt to me like they had to tie it up and like, da-da-da, nice little bow. You know, I would have been almost better if it was like No Country for Old Men style ending. I think all shows should be like that because... [31:27] Life continues afterwards, right? You don't have to tie it in. I'm not 12. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Once it got past the books, it took a hit. [31:36] Yeah. Well, that guy's a genius. I mean, the world that guy created and the complexity of all the characters like Tyrion Lannister and Tywin Lannister. Oh, my God. Tyrion Rancher. Yeah, man. I mean, that guy was so fucking good, man. They're already doing the Swansword, which is the second book of... [31:57] Game of Thrones of the Dunkin' Egg Tales. Nice. Awesome. That's his writing, too? That's his, yeah. He did three books. It was A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, which they just did. They're going to do A Sworn Sword, and then it's The Mystery Knight. I don't know anything, but I know a lot of Game of Thrones shit. Don't ask me about anything else. Game of Thrones and Star Wars. You're my go-to. The world's so fucked up, you're way better off with that stuff in your head. That's why I do it, man.

[32:27] home and watch TV. That's all I do, man. Sit home and watch TV. Speaking of Star Wars, I got a text out of nowhere from George St. Pierre. He loves it as much as me. Oh, yeah. It was just about the new Darth Maul animated series. Oh, no. Oh, I swear to God. Yo. And then he gave me back a report. He told me. He's like, oh, it's so far so good. I told you. My brother's like, I know Matt's into Star Wars. Tell him to watch the new Darth Maul. You know, Jamie said. It's fun. I love George. He's the best. [32:57] convincing people who he is. It's hilarious. What do you mean? When people, when he comes to the mothership and people that don't know anything about MMA, they're like, what does your friend do? I go, [33:05] That is one of the greatest fighters that ever walked the face of the earth. 100%. You're like, no, for real? I go, yeah, 100% in everybody's list of one of the greatest of all time. And he's like, hello, nice to meet you. It just seems so sweet and friendly. Man, that's the problem with MMA is that you have to convince people about how bad somebody was. And it wasn't that long ago. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that George St. Pierre was the fucking greatest of all time. No, it wasn't that long ago. And now, but the fans are so new that they don't get it. [33:33] They don't go back and watch it. They had to watch, like, go back and watch the John Fitch fight. Oh, man. Prime GSP. Prime. He was terrifying. [33:43] incredible gas tank, great flow between grappling and striking, very creative. He put that shit together to best. That's why he had such success taking everybody down. He would set it up, his level change. And he always, he ran through every takedown. It was never, he was going to run you across the cage. George was phenomenal. And then I think...

[34:04] Farras Ahabi was a big part of that too. Farras Ahabi's a bad motherfucker. Yeah, he's smart. You ever watch his YouTube breakdowns? Sometimes, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's incredible. He's very, very astute. He's so knowledgeable of the game, of every aspect of it. His brother is doing well. Yeah, his brother's fighting at the White House. He's fighting Sean O'Malley, and I think people are sleeping on him. Well, listen, he keeps winning. Yeah. He keeps fucking winning. The one fight that he had that was kind of a little controversial was Aldo. [34:33] Remember yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. I'm not sure he won that fight maybe because I think they're not being Generous enough with the ten eights in the ten sevens. They don't do it enough. Not enough. There's when a guy just tunes you up for like a Minute and a half of the round and you almost go unconscious, you know like that that means a lot I hate the fact that they don't use it enough I [34:56] All because, like, Dana was like, oh, I don't like it. And now the judges are just like, no, we can't do it because. Listen, the scoring system sucks because we stole it from boxing. It's not. It doesn't have enough points. For sure. It should be like you should get like a certain amount of points for different things. But it would be really hard to calculate because it would have to be subjective. Like if Pereira hits you, it's way harder than if someone's like, you know. [35:22] Paul Craig. No disrespect, but you know what I'm saying? The consequences are very different. So if he hits you with the left hook, it's different than if Pereira hits you with the left hook. So that's subjective. But in terms of what happens in the fight, you should be counting in submission attempts. You should be counting in takedown attempts. Like who was more aggressive? Who was more defensive? Who implemented their strategy? You should have like 100 points to work with. Absolutely. If they got 10 points, why are we only using two of them? It's nice. Nine out of 10. Why? I don't get it.

[35:52] I'm not sure if you're going to [35:52] that are like, ah, could be anybody. And there's 10-9 rounds where he dominated. That's nuts. Well, see, like... [35:58] UFC BJJ uses that. [36:00] And it works better for that because they're very liberal with the 10-8s and 10-7s. They use it a lot. They're like, if it's close, it's a 10-9. If it's one-sided, it's automatically a 10-8. So they use it a lot, yeah. That does make more sense. But even in BJJ, I would say you'd need more points. You need, like, it's like the difference between a 70-30 round where a guy's dominating you 70% of the time and a 51-49 round is fucking huge. Yeah. [36:30] in the scorecards at all. Yeah. So you could win a 10-9 round the first round where it's like you're barely ahead. Like, maybe I'll give it to you. And then the second round, that dude fucks you up. [36:41] And he gets a 10-9 round because you didn't go down. Yeah. But he's head kicking you and you're blocking it. You're getting teeped. Your legs are getting kicked all the time. It's still a 10-9 round? That's nuts. No. Just because you didn't go unconscious? Just because you didn't get knocked down? I think... [36:57] it's, [36:57] My ADD is kicking in, but we're talking about the close calls, close scoring. I thought Aljo... [37:03] I thought he should have got that nod against fucking... I thought so, too. I didn't think there was a... The guy got one reversal at the end, like a minute 30 left, and Aljo was winning that whole first round. Aljo is a nightmare for a grappling expert. He could be undefeated at 145. He's a nightmare, because if your whole thing is grappling with people and you've got to grapple with Aljo, you've got problems. That dude gets your back. He's got...

[37:26] I mean, him and Jan, 10-8 round, like he was just on his back the entire fucking round. And how is that not a 10-8 round? He's fighting Yusef Salah. Yeah, yeah, Yusef Salah. And that's on the 25th of April. But I think if it hits the ground, I think there's levels to this. This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? [37:56] your wireless network should be too. With Visible, you get unlimited 5G and unlimited hotspot, all powered by Verizon's 5G network, the perks of big wireless for half the cost. Visible isn't just a wireless plan. It's unlimited wireless designed to keep you connected and no contract holding you back. Switch today at Visible.com. [38:26] Or get our premium Visible Plus Pro Plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code ROGAN, an exclusive offer for podcast listeners. [38:38] This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. When you're looking to hire, you consider someone's skills, experience, availability, but even more important than that is someone's enthusiasm. They should want to be there. Finding the right kind of motivation isn't as tough as you think. You just need ZipRecruiter. Try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. ZipRecruiter connects you with qualified candidates instantly

[39:08] latest feature puts the most interested ones at the top of your list so you can make sure you're speaking with the right people at the start use zip recruiter and find enthusiastic talent fast four out of five employers who post on zip recruiter get a quality candidate within the first day and now you can try it for free at zip recruiter.com slash rogan that's zip recruiter.com slash rogan [39:38] zip recruiter. Did Aljo over Jan in the second fight, was that like the best anybody's ever done with Jan? Oh, yeah. Straightened out. His control is just so good when it hits the floor. That's the difference between him and Murab. Murab can keep getting you down and up, down and up. Right. Aljo hits the floor. Yeah, you're not getting good. He just needs back exposure. He's one of those some guys, they can't jump up on the back. It's not good for them. They're going to get tired. Dude, all day long. He'll just go up there, lock that shit on. If he doesn't get you, that's his round. [40:08] The Sanhagen fight was a masterpiece. His grappling is so good. He doesn't get proper credit. No, this is back take some of the best in the sport, period. Man, they're not a big fan of his. They don't push. Ow! He's such a nice guy. I know, he does everything right. He's such a nice guy. I think it's the one fight with Jan. You know the Jan fight with the neck. I think that was turned everybody against him. Those people are wrong. His neck was fucked up. He had to get his disc replaced.

[40:38] Should have validated the entire thing by whooping his ass in the second fight. But they already decided to hate him. They're stuck on it. They already decided to hate him. He had to get his fucking disc replaced. It was real. It was a real fucking injury. He could be a two-time champ, a double division champ. I mean, he's... [40:55] In my mind, he's undefeated at 145. Look what he did to Calvin Cater. Calvin Cater's a beast, but it was... If you didn't know Calvin Cater, if that's the first fight I've seen him, you'd be like, oh, that guy doesn't belong here, which he obviously does. He's a beast. But Aljo is masterful. You know what it is? He's good at not getting hit. So it's like he's not giving you that back and forth. And Longo says, you've seen 20% of what he could do in standing up. Like, I'd ask him something. [41:25] about a kick or something. He's just really, really talented. I hope he gets his shot. If he takes out Youssef, I hope he... [41:34] they give him a shot again. I think he could be a two-time champ. Well, listen, he's still a bad motherfucker. He's a nightmare for everybody. [41:42] Especially if he gets a hold of you. Yeah. But, I mean... [41:45] People look at the one-fight losses. They look at the Sean O'Malley fight. Sean caught them perfect. [41:51] That's just how it goes. And, you know, his head wasn't really in that because he didn't even want to be there. Nope. Why didn't he want to be there? [41:57] They made him fight that fight. He didn't want to fight. [42:01] They did like a whole documentary on it where it was like they kind of... [42:07] Twisted his arm. They'd be like you got to do this and they were injured. I think he was injured a quick turnaround Yeah, that's a turnaround quick a turnaround. He's the champ. He didn't feel he should be forced into a

[42:18] But he thought the number, he thought the pay-per-view numbers was going to make up for it. He thought he was going to get all this money from it because he was like, all right, I'll do it. Sean O'Malley is going to bring in the numbers. Then he said... [42:28] When it was over, he saw the numbers. He was like, if I knew the numbers was going to be like this, I don't think I'd have did it. Really? Yeah. So it didn't do well. [42:37] It didn't do as well as he thought he was going to do based on... [42:42] Sean O'Malley's presence. Listen, man, it takes a lot to get people to pay for something today. There's too much of a way to seal it. This Paramount thing is genius in that regard, is that all you have to do is have that app, which a lot of people have already anyway. Yeah. That's genius. But to make people pay every time to watch fights, there's so much to watch today. Well, that was the one thing that my people at ESPN told me. They were like, it's a big difference between being popular and... [43:09] and then having people pay to watch you fight. You can be popular, but ain't nobody paying you to fight. So it's a big difference. It's a giant difference. Yeah. Yeah, it's a giant difference. I like that it's on Paramount. It's a fan, though. Yeah, it's saving you a ton of money. I used to pay for every one of them. This Netflix thing is nice, too. It's good to see that there's someone who's willing to throw a lot of money at MMA in another large arena, you know, like Netflix. What are your thoughts, guys? Gina versus... [43:39] Rhonda. I think round one submission, Rhonda. Yeah. Unless she wants to try to just stand up with her, which I doubt. I hope not.

[43:48] Thank you. [43:49] I don't know what Jean has been doing. You know, I don't know how long she went without MMA training at all. She was recently a little heavy. I can say that. She looks great now. Does she look great now? She looks great. Look, she got in great shape. She got in great shape. She's still like 43 years old. Yes. Come on. No, but the question is like. [44:07] What was she doing? Was she still training some? That would be my real question. Because if you just put it all down and you walk away for 17 years, I've got to go. I mean, but with the weight gain that she had, there was no way she was training or doing anything. She's back in shape, and she obviously is busting her ass to do that. But how long, like you're saying, was she down? And she hasn't developed. [44:34] a grappling defense to one of the... [44:37] Best female grapplers ever. No, Rhonda's... Her only hope is to keep it on the feet. Rhonda could jump guard on her. [44:43] And then sweep she'd be. She would pull guard and sweep her. Or arm lock her. Her arm locks are amazing. Her arm locks are preposterous. They're preposterous. You know? I think there's too many. Dude or chick, her arm bars are sick. Remember that Kat Zingano fight? Kat charged at her. Kat threw her. That was the craziest thing ever. Got her an arm bar, like, instantaneously. Yeah, what a stupid strategy that was. Yeah, she blanked out on that one. So crazy. That was such a sick transition. No, but I saw a video of Gina hitting pads with John Wood. It was kind of recent. It did not look good. [45:13] . [45:13] How recent was it? I don't know. I don't know, but it didn't look good. I was just like, ugh. It's hard to tell where they're at. I hope this is older. She's a big girl. Maybe she can stop her from taking her down or something. But also, what were they doing? Were they just working on slow motion shit? Were they just trying to get a movement? Or were they getting in a hard mitt workout? You know what I'm saying? I mean, either way, just mechanically, it didn't look great. Mechanically. But it could have been. It's like one of them things where this could be her comeback session,

[45:43] get warmed up. But who knows? I mean, who knows? Maybe she's... Who knows? You just never know. You hope so. Yeah, I hope it's better than that. Round one submission. [45:52] I mean, probably right. I mean, come on. I bet if you had Polymarket, you could make some money on that. There's going to be a lot of bets on that. [46:03] It's exciting, though, that Netflix is doing it. That's what I like. I like that there's another place people can go. But how sustainable is this, though? That's my biggest question. Whoever's putting the money up for this is going to lose their ass, I think. You think they're going to make that money back? Right, but here's the thing. It's Netflix, right? So Netflix has an insane amount of money, and they keep raking it in. Like every month people are paying whatever they're paying. It's as high as, like, what, $19 for ad-free? What is it? How much does a Netflix account now? [46:33] I think it just went up, right? Yeah, they're kind of going up. So think of all that money is just coming in every month. They just got to give people exciting things to want to watch, and they'll keep making more money. Right. Because more people use Netflix. Like, it would seem like they're going to lose their ass, but they're not. [46:49] Because they have a completely different business model. [46:52] I'm not a businessman. $8.99 to $26.99 per month. In fact, I'm a terrible businessman. But I would imagine you'll just make money by giving people awesome shit so they keep tuning into Netflix. So in that sense, they're not going to lose any money. [47:06] Because there's a lot of MMA fans that probably subscribe to Netflix just so they can watch that fight. Right. [47:12] So who's on the card now? It's like Felipe Lins versus Ngannou. Right. Yeah. Mike Perry versus Nate Diaz. Right.

[47:19] Oh, and Robles to Spain. [47:22] Yeah, the karate dude. And Junior Los Santos. That one is like, who's it? [47:29] Robeles Despagne. That tall karate combat dude. He's a Taekwondo black belt from Cuba. Wait, was he Junior? Yeah. How old's Junior? He's 50 now. Is he 50? No. He's close. But he's in good shape. I actually did a, we spoke at a high school a couple of months ago. I'm glad to hear that. [47:46] I mean, at least these guys get an outlet to make some extra money. Yeah, man. Who doesn't want to see who he is with Perry? Adriano Moraes is a – you know, that's a – [47:55] I'm probably going to school them, but I mean, it's, they got some, they're giving guys some opportunities. So you got to like this. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. [48:03] It'll be a big show. A lot of people will tune in. Diaz and Perry's going to be fucking bananas. That'll be really fun to watch. [48:11] I mean, that'll be worth the price of it. Imagine if that was 10 years ago, that fight. I'm looking at this. It's like if the G-L-L-A went to fucking, it came true. GFL? Remember that Grand Ball League? No, not everybody. They just stole all their talent. [48:26] Bro, Diaz versus Perry, guaranteed dogfight. You just said guaranteed dogfight. That will not be a boring fight. [48:35] I think the jiu-jitsu is going to be too much. I kind of think that, too. I kind of think Nate might just drag them deeper, right? [48:41] We're going to see. Oh, it's five rounds? Five rounds? That's crazy. Five rounds is crazy. I wonder why they agreed on that. [48:49] Interesting. Why do you think they agree on that? I didn't realize that. Is the Gina fight five rounds or is it three rounds? Yeah, it's three. When they first announced this, it said five by five for everything, but it's changed a bit. So it says five by five right there. Yeah, just for those two, though. This one does not.

[49:04] Does it say that anymore? And it also says this is a main event. I mean, I can't imagine if you're asking for five rounds. Actually, it does. There it does. It says it real hard to see it. Yeah, five by five. Right. Professional. Yeah, okay. [49:16] Bro, Lorenz Larkin, back in the day, I remember he fought Neil Magny. He was hitting him with oblique kicks to the chest. And I was like, I do not think I've ever seen anybody throw it that way. [49:27] You ever see that fight? No, I don't remember that fight. He tuned Neil Magny up. Lorenz Larkin was a bad motherfucker. I do remember that like he had a good run. He was so sharp. His striking was elite. Yeah. And he would he when he fought Neil Magny he you know Neil Magny's a tough fucking dude. Durable guy. Durable, incredible discipline and endurance like that dude's never out of shape. And he was just getting to look at this. I mean, he's throwing an oblique kick to the ribs. I mean, he's throwing an oblique kick to the ribs. [49:55] That one there, he just hit his arm and knocked him down with it. But earlier, before that, he caught him on the ribcage with it. Look at that. Look at that. Bro, that's crazy. He gave him a Sparta cam. That's the second look at it. But right here, you're seeing him. He's blasting him with this. [50:11] Dude, nobody throws like that. That's a crazy position to put your hips in. That is crazy. He was sharp. How did this one end? He stopped him. [50:21] Oh, did he? Yeah. [50:23] Oh, shit. [50:24] Yeah, Lorenz was all over him, man. It was... [50:27] one of the prime performances that I've seen of him fight. [50:32] Yeah, he had a good little run. He had a great run. But during that run, and this was like, he came from Bellator, right? Yeah. Yeah. And when he came over from Bellator, it was like he was still like red hot. Yeah. Like red hot.

[50:42] I'm going to go. [50:43] Two guys that... [50:46] We're in Bellator, which is Pitbull and Aaron Pico. They're getting ready to fight this weekend. How much time do you think a guy like Pico is supposed to take off after Lerone? We were just talking about that. Because I love his offense, man. He's a little raging bull. Animal. And strong, powerful. He just got caught. And he got caught perfect. And he was just perfect. That's spinning elbows. I think he got stopped more than once with a bad knockout like that. Yeah. He's been a kid. You don't want to go through your career with one of those. [51:16] Kill Cliff. [51:16] Adam Burks. He got him with a flying knee. Damn, dude. You don't want too many of those. That's right. But those put him out, man. You just see him just go boop. [51:28] Yeah, that Macy Barber one the other day. That was just one of the greatest finishes in women's MMA history. Oh, no doubt. I wanted to reach out to Macy because I felt so bad. I wanted to reach out to the doctor and say, what the fuck do you think? He's just over like, poking him with a fucking bitch. So crazy. Yeah. He's like, I'm like, get some smell. I'm like, somebody, the cameraman, please get off this. Or somebody talk to the doctor because I don't know what the fuck. He was just over like, man, this is fucked up. [51:58] I don't think he knew exactly what was going on. He probably has no experience in combat sports, right? He didn't realize that she got knocked out, and while she was out cold, she got strangled. She transitioned so fast. She's out there. She's out cold already, and then she gets strangled. That's never happened before. What's crazy is she was kind of still reacting, and then when they put her on her back, it was, I don't know what was going on. As she was trying to sit up, she went limp, you see right there.

[52:28] as the guy has his arm around her. [52:30] She goes, "Limp." [52:32] dude see there's like there's uh sea level cane and then there's southpaw alexa when she fights southpaw man she is dangerous then there's confused doctor she got him right hey i've seen this before [52:47] Crazy. Look at her. Right. He's like, are you doing that? Well, she's kind of coming to there. I think she's blinking. [52:53] But that was just, holy shit. And the speed that she took her back. Left hand, boop, back, choked. Amazing. One shot while she was out still, cracked her again, got her back and choked her all like a lightning bolt. [53:07] That was super impressive. But that's the same combination she hit Valentina with when she finished her. I feel like it was five minutes with her sitting there. Left hand, boom, took her back. [53:15] It took her longer, but look at this. [53:19] Thank you. [53:20] Bam. So she's in trouble. Bam, right there. Out cold and then strangled. [53:26] I don't think that combination of out cold and then strangled has ever happened before. No. Because, I mean, she's seen what she's punched. That's out cold, right? Yeah. [53:34] And then, boom. [53:37] Sick. [53:37] No, that's crazy. Crazy. [53:42] She's tough, man. [53:44] Oh, man. I'll haul backwards in front of you after they're knocked out. [53:48] you know. [53:49] Well, so here's the thing. She gets up, and when she gets up, I think she faints. Like, I think she tries to get up, and then he...

[53:58] Mike puts his arm around her, and she's out. [54:01] I think she fainted. That's just scary. That's scary. And she also had had some problems before with seizures. Yeah. She had to pull out of that fight with Aaron Blanchfield. She had a seizure in the locker room, right? So they still allow her to fight? [54:15] even though she's had seizures, that's pretty crazy. It depends on what's causing the seizures, right? If they know it's a medication that she was on, they get her off the medication. I don't know what causes seizures. Well, that's just not going to help the seizures. But it certainly wouldn't make me enthusiastic about fighting. Yeah. It would have to fuck with your motivation if you're already having seizures. I wouldn't want to do it. And now after that? [54:38] I wouldn't want to do it. Anytime you fight... [54:41] That's a possibility. Yeah. I mean, look at a guy who never once looked... [54:46] took anything remotely like that like um kamara usman and even in a fight where he's just doing so great and then that's the closest thing i've seen to that which is when he got stopped with that head kick yeah [54:58] And, you know, that's a possibility any time you make that walk. That's why you got that fucking little feeling in your, you know, before you walk out there. The Kamara one was nuts, too, because John Anik was just saying, because DC was like, a lot of people would quit in this situation. And John Anik said something along the lines of, but that is not the cloth from which he was cut. I know. And then, I mean, that was like the most perfect timing ever. Ever. Like a movie. [55:28] Shut up. Because I just came in and was like, yeah, I think he's broke. And then DC was saying it. And then John intervened with, he's not cut from that club. And boom. Boom. Head kick. Head kick.

[55:39] It was nuts. What is that new? Nuts. Russell Crowe's doing a new MMA movie. Beast. Yeah. Is that supposed to be the UFC? No, it's supposed to be one. One UFC, yeah. One UFC. I didn't know they did it with one UFC. Interesting. [55:50] Yeah, I wonder if that's going to be good. Yeah, but I mean, the fighter's like my age. I'm like, yo, what's going on here? Coming back. Like Randy Couture won the title in his 40s. You know? Yeah, man. One has some wild striking fights, man. Some of the absolute best stand-up fights in the world are happening on One. I watch it all the time. I never know when that shit's on. Yeah, where do you watch it? There's this fucking cat out of Dagestan. Do you guys know who I'm talking about? Asadullah Imam Ghazaleev? [56:18] Bro, this dude is, I think he's 135 pounds. I think that's what he fights at. And he's like 6'1". [56:27] And just a laser beam striker. [56:30] Just fucks people up. Literally might be the best striker in the world. Is it just kickboxing? Yeah, and he's getting in there with Muay Thai. He's getting in there with world Muay Thai champions and KOing them. [56:41] Like three-time world Lumpini Muay Thai champions. Damn. Lumpini Stadium, guys. This guy is a fucking straight killer, dude. And he's from Dagestan, and he can wrestle. Damn. Let's see if you can find a highlight reel of his KOs. Because this is just, like, get on YouTube. The body shot was nasty. I watch this cat every time he fights. I just can't. He's so fucking accurate, and he's so slick. How old is he? He's 22. Oh, damn. Yeah, man.

[57:11] This 22-year-old cat from Dagestan might be the best striker on earth right now. [57:17] This dude is so impressive. And I'm telling you, he's doing this to do tour world champions. Oh, he's taking out world champion kickboxers, world champion Muay Thai fighters. They're putting him in there with these fucking assassins. And he's making them all go night night. Oh, damn. Oh, bro. You got to see it in real speed. Like you see his real movements. It's so impressive. Is he with Habib and M? I don't know where he's training out of, but he's from Dagestan. [57:47] He looks like Zabit. Yes, like a little bit more robust Zabit. [57:53] But it's different. Zabit had an incredible style, but it was almost more Taekwondo-ish. This guy's pure Muay Thai, but he just fucks people up, man. He's accurate, too. Oh, he's spinning heel kicks, everything. Knees to the body, but it's the combinations, the way he's throwing them. He just finds these openings on people with this precision that you're like, motherfucker, man. [58:16] It keeps the pressure on, too. He's just flat-lined, folks. [58:22] One after another flatlining people. Man. Bro, he's very fucking impressive. [58:27] And again, very impressive against world championship caliber Muay Thai fighters. [58:32] These are not scrubs that he's fighting. [58:34] And one's putting these fights on all the time. And I was trying to tell Dana this. I was like, if you guys had UFC striking, do you know how fucking exciting that would be? If just Muay Thai with MMA gloves on. Well, they should do that. They do it with the BJJ now. They do it with one. 100%. They're missing out on a giant opportunity because how many people boo when a fight goes to the ground? Boo. Mm-hmm. These guys never go to the ground. Right. It's just all stand-up kickboxing. And kickboxing is so much more brutal than boxing. Way more brutal. Yeah.

[59:04] in America. I know. It's not that it's not exciting. It's the most exciting aspect of the UFC, other than a great submission like Alexa Grasso after a knockout. That's like the most exciting. Hey. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Let's be honest. Wireless can feel like a world of traps, expensive bills, tacked on fees, and promises that just don't hold up. You start to feel stuck. Don't fall for the trap. Don't fall for the trap. [59:29] Escape to Visible, the ultimate wireless hack. Get unlimited data and hotspot powered by Verizon. One line for just $25 a month, taxes and fees included. Get great coverage and a reliable connection with Visible. Plus, for a limited time, new members can get the Visible plan for just $20 a month for one year using code FRESHSTART. [59:56] Refresh your wireless with Visible. Switch today at Visible.com. Terms apply. Limited time offers subject to change. See Visible.com for planned features and network management details. People bitch about Comzat. I could watch him do that to Drakeus all day long. I don't give a shit. That's masterful. Masterful. Get him off you. That's right. Get off. People are like, oh, that's a shame, and he doesn't take chances. Dude, he's not trying to beat the shit out of him. [1:00:26] but [1:00:27] beating him up, and he's just [1:00:28] He's working them over. I mean, what do you want him to stand up in the crucifix? What are you talking about? Yeah, I mean, that's Driecus' problem. Driecus needs to get him. Yeah, 100%. And I don't believe in stand-ups at all, period.

[1:00:40] I think the only time you should stand up is someone fouls. [1:00:43] If someone does a foul and then you have to stand up, take a point away from them, maybe then you stand them up. Yeah. You shouldn't reward a guy for having, like, the shit defense. If the dude on the bottom is the one that failed, put them back where they were. Yeah. Yeah. Right. [1:00:58] Yeah. Definitely. But other than that, why are you letting people stand up? [1:01:02] Why? Guy had to work so hard to get him to the ground. Maybe he's taking a break for a couple seconds and catching his breath. [1:01:07] yeah you know like what the fuck do you want yeah like figure out how to get up yeah [1:01:12] Bottom people just have to be better. Also, you know how to fix that? Here's how you fix that. Knees to the head to a downed opponent. Absolutely. Absolutely. Then it's like a fixation. It's all out of the world. Wrestlers? Then wrestlers become super fucking dangerous. Hey, man. Mark Coleman won the Grand Prix with that shit. Didn't you see the smash machine? Yeah, bro. That's true. [1:01:28] Did you like the Smash Machine? I did. It was good. I did. I enjoyed it, too. I thought The Rock was amazing. I thought, like, his acting, like, you didn't think it was The Rock. Yeah. [1:01:37] I haven't seen it yet. You thought it was Mark Kerr. He even got a forehead thing. [1:01:42] Rubber put on his forehead or whatever the fuck. Give him a little like. Yeah, make him more Neanderthal. A little Cro-Magnon. Give him a little Frankenstein forehead. It was almost scene by scene. It was almost like the same thing. [1:01:54] Pretty much the same exact thing as the documentary. It was really good. The documentary, it's like... [1:01:59] The same shots, the same story. So if you've seen the documentary, which was great. Yeah, seen that. Kurt was a great guest. I had him in the podcast. He was fun. Yeah. He was a really cool guest. No kidding. Yeah, he was really fun. And just real intelligent, like easy to talk to. Where does he live now? I forget. Is it Arizona? Arizona?

[1:02:18] Bro, I saw him in early UFCs when I was a backstage interviewer. He submitted Dan Bobish with his chin to his eye. I remember that. I remember that, too. That was crazy. I remember when he came on the scene, well, the UFC scene, with the old Ranger Stott knee to the face. I remember Rip Rules while we were about to find out. Morty Heiensteen or something like that. The karate Heiensteen. I don't know, man. [1:02:48] down in Brazil. That was crazy. That's where he got his name. Yeah, man, that's [1:02:52] That's my shit. Look, I was a big Fabio fan. And, like, I mean, if you can't have respect for that guy after that beating he took. He never fucking thought about quitting. Crazy. Yeah. Headbats and everything. Who said yes to that? Yeah, right. Let me pull you guys aside. He'll explain physics. Yeah. And now I need to introduce you to steroids. Now we should combine physics and steroids. And, like, no, you're not fighting Mark Kerr. [1:03:22] Jiu-Jitsu still had the mystique about it. It's true. You know, back when they weren't losing. But that kind of killed, but like, that's when it like the beginning of the end of like the guard started for MMA. It was like that. Because like those big wrestlers were just like, oh, you mean all I got to do is block his hips and he can't do shit? And I can headbutt you? Right. Do you remember when Mario Sperry fought Igor Zinovich? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So Mario Sperry is like one of the first Jiu-Jitsu black belts to lose in MMA. That's right. Yes.

[1:03:52] And Mario Sperry was elite He was a really good black belt Yeah [1:03:56] And so he fought Zinoviev, and Zinoviev stopped him. I remember that. Yeah. And Mario was doing everything right, mounting him correctly. But then he would just do one of those weird, like, super big bridges. And then because he had endurance and he was able to just withstand his attack, he ended up cutting him or something towards the end. Yeah, it was a big cut. They stopped it from a cut, right? Speaking of old school guys, guess who was at the UFC last week? Murillo Bustamanch. Oh! Yes! He was cornering Jose Delano. [1:04:26] He also fought 45 minutes. He fought Tom Erickson. Tom Erickson. Remember that? I thought Murillo beat Chuck Liddell, too. Honestly, in that fight. He might have, yeah. [1:04:39] He was a bad motherfucker. It was really good boxing and insane jiu-jitsu, but really good boxing. One of the first guys from that Carlson Gracie team along with Vitor. Good wrestler, too. He had good takedowns for a jiu-jitsu guy, too. But that's my point. He's at the UFC just cornering Jose Delano, and no one knows who he is. And I'm like, yo, I need to give a lesson on this guy. He's one of my favorite fighters of all time, but no one knows who he is. That's crazy. He's a legend. [1:05:09] people now it's like time just goes on yeah what a bunch of killers carlson had back in the day man what did i really did his school in 96 when all that was going down when right before vitor got into the uc uh-huh carlo barretto yeah carlo was trained there yeah yeah sergio cohen

[1:05:30] He had a bunch of beasts, man, and we'd watch them all train together. Mario Sperry was telling us a story about how when he was just starting out in jiu-jitsu, he made his girlfriend sit there, and he just put her in triangle after triangle after triangle. She kept complaining. [1:05:46] That's hysterical. Watching TV, just practicing triangles on his girlfriend. [1:05:51] we were lucky to we were talking last night about how fortunate we were to come up when we did you know and like even back at henzo's and you had henzo you had hein coming through you had half coming through you had matt you had ricardo you had sean alvarez like we just had a ton of killers you know and back then it was i always joke about the tap out shit but [1:06:15] But if you saw somebody in an airport in the 90s with a tap out shirt on you were like, where you know where you train? Then now that it went to like JC fucking pennies, which is cool because it was [1:06:29] But it was pretty well I had some tap out shirts everybody did right? [1:06:34] Those guys were fun. [1:06:36] Yeah, definitely. It was a weird time. That time of MMA, if you go back to like, even when you and I first met, it was like, [1:06:43] What year was that? 2001, we met. Crazy. That's crazy. Because you weren't a commentator yet, but I fought Kelly Delonte, and you gave me a nice shout-out. I remember. We need more of that jungle jiu-jitsu, like Matt Serra did. When you toured at Boston. And I'm like, oh! They showed me that up. Yeah, that's funny.

[1:07:00] That was 2001. Because I mailed you a shirt. Yeah, that's right. And then you called the academy. And I'm like, oh, what's up? That was funny, man. Nice. It's crazy. But jujitsu was so... [1:07:11] Physical then like it was a physical thing now. It's so intellectual and like these nerds think they own it to autistic kids go [1:07:22] Own it it's like yo, what are you talking about? They start talking about technique. Yeah, it's like they're talking chess moves Yeah, you don't know the names and they said you don't know that it's like dude. I know that's I like I what's the um? what when you're going for the uh? [1:07:35] They call it the K-Guard. I'm like, shit, man. I've been doing that since the 90s, man. At first, I'm like, oh, what's the thing? They're like, you don't know the K-Guard? Then they show it. I go, well, yeah. I just never called it the fucking K-Guard. [1:07:47] But it's funny. You bring up Murillo Bustamante. We talked about Fabio Gagel. Back then, and I know jiu-jitsu evolved, but if you take those guys, you put them in the Abu Dhabi submission tournament, you put them in the BJJ, IBJJF, and you put them in an MMA fight, their jiu-jitsu is the same. [1:08:03] It carries over to all. And they may not win, but they're competitive. And they can have a win-win game. They can't. [1:08:11] have it across the board. Yeah. Yeah. Where someone who's just used to scissoring or just

[1:08:20] that can transfer over. Here's what fucks my head up. [1:08:24] if you gun to my head, [1:08:26] said to me, who do you think has the best jujitsu, [1:08:30] in MMA right now. [1:08:32] my head would go, [1:08:35] Charles Oliveira. I was getting ready. Charles Oliveira. That would be my first. But Islam Makachev finished him. [1:08:40] On the ground. So how can I say that? Right? So it fucks my head up because I'm like, if you think about like elite expressions of jujitsu on the ground, like one of the most dangerous guys off his back, Oliveira. Oliveira is so dangerous everywhere. If he gets on top of you, you're fucked. [1:08:54] I mean, it was just that Max Holloway's defense is so tight and he's so tough that he didn't get finished. Right. A lot of dudes would have been at him in that first round. How crazy it was that he... [1:09:04] was able to just manhandle him and take him down. I mean, Max, nobody took Max down like that. He manhandled him. It was bananas. But I think Max is a guy that is like, he can fight at 45. I think it was really hard when he went up to 55 and then went down to 45. But at 45, in his prime, it was a perfect weight class for him. When... [1:09:23] Olivera was fighting at 45. He was killing himself. He just was fatigued easier. [1:09:29] But then when he went up to 55, then he became Charles Oliveira. It was really all at 55 where he made his mark. He tried that shit, though, with Ilya. He did try to take him down. Yeah, Ilya is another animal. He's on another level. For sure. He's on another level. Super well-rounded, and people haven't really even seen that yet. He's on a level where I can't wait for his next fights. When he's fighting, I'm like, what is he going to do now? Because I think he's getting better.

[1:09:57] I think it's not just – I think the dude is like – their approach to it, there's a documentary on YouTube. But they're like talking about how they break down all their fight camps and what they're doing and the different stuff that they train in. Like these dudes are on another level. I mean when you think about it, like if a fight between like Ilya and Islam were to happen, like think about like the magnitude of that of like not only just like star power but just in terms of skill. Oh, my God. Like breaking that down in terms of skill. Oh, my God. Like two of the best skilled fighters of all time. [1:10:27] time. Yeah. That would be an insane fight. And I just really would like it if it happened to be at 55. Like, Iliad 170 is a little unrealistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 55 would be better. Because Islam at 170 is probably walking around a buck 96. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Fucking jacked. [1:10:44] I think Armin should be spoken about, too. 100%. Yeah, 100%. He had a pretty good fight with Islam back how many years ago? He was like 21. I mean, scrambles. Although I do have to say. [1:10:58] if the scoring was correct, I think. [1:11:02] I think Oliveira would have beat him in that fight because Oliveira threatened him with submissions. That is true. A couple times. That's true. A couple times. That, to me, is more valuable than holding a guy down. [1:11:13] Did Armand threaten he had an arm choke with him? Well, no. [1:11:16] He was kind of on the run, but he was kind of on the run more often than we remember. [1:11:22] like armin was yeah in terms of like inside the guard of alivaria like he was kind of you know he was on the run it's dangerous in there man it's not like everybody else's like there's only a few guys like him and

[1:11:33] Paul Craig could latch on a fucking triangle. That guy's beating world champions. Think about it. He beat Jamal. Broke his arm. He beat Uncle I. Stopped him with one second to go in the third round with a triangle. He might have one of the best... [1:11:51] What was that one dude from back in the day that won all his fights by triangle? [1:11:56] Dustin. No, English guy. Yeah. I know exactly who you're talking about. Oh my God, it's going to drive me nuts. The little skinny English guy. Yes. He was all triangles, like 11 triangles in a row. He had this one move, but if he can get you to the ground and latch his legs around you, you're a fucks bill. Paul Sass. Yeah, Paul Sass. Shout out to Paul Sass. [1:12:16] Yeah, he was a beast. He'd get you in that triangle. You're fucked. [1:12:19] And Fabrizio Redum's another one, right? [1:12:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he triangled Fedor when Fedor was Fedor. I always tell people, if you want to look at one of all-time greats in heavyweight, don't look at all losses and shit. Stop right here in the prime. Who has tapped out more legends than Fabricio Verdum? [1:12:39] Minotaur, Fedor, [1:12:41] I mean, that is crazy. Just those two. Cain Velasquez? Yeah, that's true. He's tapped out all the legends. That's true. [1:12:48] And they weren't past the prime either. Fedor was securely in his prime. [1:12:54] I remember watching that live thinking, oh, my God. Oh, my God. He ran right into it. He ran right into that. He literally did jump into it. Brilliant. His jiu-jitsu was, like, scary off his back. Yeah, Fedor had no respect for the guard. Just, you know, was trying to take his head off and just fed it to him. Yeah, man. You can't do that with a guy. Not a guy like that. That's a different level. And plus, he hit Colby in the head with a boomerang. Remember that? There's nothing wrong with that. Give me some points for that as well. That was my favorite video of all time.

[1:13:24] He hit him with the boomerang and the bag, and he called me, he's reaching out for the bag. Yeah, you got to give him some points for that, too. Out of all the people that I thought I was definitely going to see on the White House lawn. [1:13:33] It was going to be a Colby-Covidon fight. [1:13:35] I was like, how did you not have a Colby Covington fight at the White House? Man, I don't know. He's like super supportive of Trump, wears Trump hats everywhere. Right. And he's not a fighter. They didn't get him hooked up? They didn't hook him up? I don't know. How did that not happen? I think Bo Nickel wanted to fight him. Yeah, but that's a different weight class. Bo Nickel's a big dude. He's at 85. He's an 85-er. [1:13:56] Yeah. That's a, you know, Colby's not... [1:13:59] a big 70. Is he a great size for 70? This episode is brought to you by Dodge. The new Dodge Charger scat pack is built for people who still believe driving should be exciting. You want to talk about performance? Let's start with a twin turbo six pack gas engine, all gas, no mercy, 550 horsepower, [1:14:29] Unlike vehicles that make you choose between traction and attitude, the Dodge Charger Scat Pack comes with standard all-wheel drive and a selectable rear-wheel drive mode so you can get confident handling when you want it and the freedom to still be able to do burnouts.

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[1:16:36] I mean, you got to think Ian Gary, but you also got to think Kamaru because he doesn't have much time left and he's a legend. Yeah. [1:16:45] Right? One of the greatest welterweights of all time. And then he just beats Joaquin Buckley like that? I mean, like, Joaquin Buckley's album. Fucking monster. And Buckley was on... [1:16:54] the fast rise to come on. Now, Wonderboy. Now, Wonderboy. He beat the shit out of Colby. Beat the shit out of Colby. Bro, beat the shit out of him. Joaquin doesn't get tired either, which is crazy. Like, you look at his physique. Yeah, you think he gets tired. That guy's going to get passed out. He keeps that gas going for three fucking rounds. Full clip. Yeah, believe it. I've been watching him. Been watching him for months now. No, Sean Brady, I think. [1:17:19] Old turtle shell. Yeah. That back of his is so preposterous. [1:17:24] He's staying at that weight, right? Yeah, he's not going down. [1:17:28] What about Olberg and... [1:17:31] Jiri this weekend. You know what, man? If you're looking at it on paper, if you just watch their movements, Olberg is really fast. He's really accurate. [1:17:43] And he's slick and he's a big tall motherfucker with great skills. Yuri creates chaos. And in that chaos, you don't know exactly how someone's going to respond when the guy's still there when you crack him and he's all over you and he's doing wild shit. He's got a fucking ponytail at the top of his head. He's a maniac, but he's not faking it.

[1:18:06] Oh, no, he believes everything he says. That's how that dude really lives. He really does hit trees in the woods. He goes out there with a makiwara. He does all the hard style Japanese shit. He spends time in the woods by himself alone. He swims under the ice. [1:18:29] I mean, you have to find where the hole is, and you've got to come back. We had some people in there, too, just in case. Isn't that crazy, dude? Listen, man, just look at that dude. [1:18:37] His ancestors came over on a boat with a skull on it, and they had fucking swords. And they hopped off and started slicing people up. Hold him, guys. That dude is a motherfucking Viking. Whatever he is, those warrior genes, like that's in that... [1:18:53] That dude takes you to hell. He just can't do it without it. He guts his way. That style just doesn't work with Pereira. That's what I'm wondering. Does he walk into one here? Because he's going to get hit. [1:19:04] Khalil beat the living shit out of him for two rounds and then ran out of gas. Oberg's a big guy, too. Khalil's not a big guy. [1:19:13] If you look at him in comparison to some of the other guys in that weight class, 205. [1:19:20] Here's one that people are sleeping on. Merza Kahnhoff. Yeah. [1:19:23] You think he's... Who? I'm leaning Paolo's way, I swear. You almost sold me on that yesterday. But Mercy Conoff, man. Undefeated. Undefeated. Let me tell you something. 37 and fought nobody. I'm riding it. Who's that? It's true. He put Rockish to sleep, though. Yeah. He put Rockish to sleep in the first round. Dude, he's slick. He does shit in there. I'm like... He calls himself the professional. He's...

[1:19:48] And that's like, he seems like a hitman, like some Russian hitman that comes to fucking kill people. He believes in his power. That's a fact. It's not just his power, man. It's his skills. When I look at him, I'm like, this is a smart guy. Like, he moves like a smart guy. Everything's calculated. Everything's technical. He's really hard to hit clean. Yeah. [1:20:06] He's a slick character. And he does shit, too. He overreaches. But he overreaches, I think, on purpose to get reads off you. If he senses the guy's moving away, he'll come in with big shots to try to get you to react and then counter. Like that right hook that he hit him with was almost like a jab that he dropped Rockage with. Just saw this movement that Rockage kept doing over and over again. Bang! Came in with like a straight right jab. Almost like a hook jab. Palo's got a chin. Look at that. [1:20:36] Watch that again. [1:20:38] Look how slick this is. Boom! [1:20:41] He's a killer, man. We don't know what Paul Acosta is going to look like at 205, though. He's never fought it that way. Well, didn't he once when he didn't make weight for 85 against Marvin Vittori? Yeah, yeah. He forced Marvin Vittori. He was like, no, this fight is at 205 now. Remember that? Izzy fucked his mind up, I think. He definitely did. But he looked the best he's looked his last fight. Like, he copped it off. He just ran through him. Dude, you go back to when he was walking people down, like walk down Yoel Romero. [1:21:08] Paul Costa was a bizarre guy. I remember when he saluted Paul. Yoel Romero in the middle of the fight. That was my favorite part. That was a great fight. It was a good fight. That was a great fight. But nobody walks down Yoel Romero like that. Yeah, I'm kidding. There's that photo, that one photo of him head kicking Yoel. And Yoel's face is like all distorted. And you're like, how did he take that shot? His neck. Yeah, the traps. You know, his neck is fused. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's all one thing. So it doesn't move. It's connected to his skull. That's crazy. Yeah.

[1:21:38] Isn't that nuts? He's sending these comments. Look at that. Look at that photo. [1:21:41] Bro, that photo's bonkers. [1:21:44] Imagine... [1:21:45] How tough you got to be to be Yoel Romero and... [1:21:48] Take that to the head when you know your neck has been through an insane operation where you have metal connecting the fucking spine of your neck to your head. It's all right. They implanted monster traps to hold his neck at the same time. He's such a freak. He's an athletic freak. [1:22:07] And you see he just fought bare knuckle. He's a specimen. Yeah. At 49. Yeah. And a lot of people disputed the decision. They thought he should have won. Yeah. [1:22:14] In Russia. [1:22:17] Yoel Romero is a bad motherfucker. I don't know how he does it. He looks great. If you told me he was 32, I'd believe you. He did RAF as well. [1:22:28] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:22:29] Yeah, who'd he be? Pat Downey. And then he came back and he lost the next one. Yeah, but he was... [1:22:36] wrestled a legit dude. Dude, the guy that I'm most impressed with in that is Armin. [1:22:41] I can't believe how good he is as a wrestler. Who's the duty? Tech fault? [1:22:46] Giorgio. Giorgio. No, no, no. [1:22:50] Lance. Oh, Lance Palmer. That's right. Lance Palmer. Bro. Lance Palmer is a legit wrestler. Yeah, Lance Palmer is a legit wrestler. For sure. Lance was like, oh, he's never wrestled at my level. He's never wrestled guys at my level. Armin goes up there and tech falls. Right. Bro, Armin is legit. Giorgio did better. Yeah. But even Giorgio. Like, you watch those videos that he does. Yeah. It's like $100 to me now. Yeah, $1,000 or whatever. Whatever it is. Yeah. Armin is a fucking bad man, dude. He's a bad man. I know. Yeah.

[1:23:16] I wanted to fight for Ilya at 55. That's a very interesting fight. 100%. Very interesting. I'd fight so. [1:23:23] Because he's hard to hit. He's very slick and technical, super flexible, very, [1:23:27] Like, you ever see those weird, like, mobility exercises he does with twists and shit with weights? I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Crazy flexibility. Yeah. [1:23:35] He's definitely in his prime, man. He can't waste his life away right now. Stop headbutting people. Yeah, just do the right thing because you are in your prime right now and it doesn't last forever. He might already be champ if he could keep it together outside of the cage. You know what I mean? Like who knows what would have happened in the Olivera fight. It was a proper fight, a five-rounder, you know? He's staying busy, though. It's not like he's on the couch. He's staying real busy. You know what I mean? He's doing those videos with me. Yeah, yeah. He put Mochaev to sleep a couple weeks ago here. That was a little too much. That was a lot. Yeah. [1:24:05] He kept it on too long. Mokaev's a 125-er. Yeah. But, like, he kept it. Whenever they keep it on when the guy's already sleeping for too long, it's like, yeah, what's going on here? You know, you got to know he's out. What the fuck's happening? Maybe some unkind words were exchanged. That's kind of my fault process. That doesn't happen like each other. Sure, that happened. Mokaev is a hothead, right? Yeah. He's been known to say some things. What did he get kicked out of the UFC for? What happened with him? [1:24:27] I heard he was just like mean to people, like mean to the staff. That's what I heard. He was just like mean to the staff. I wasn't even talking. I was talking about when he did it to a streamer. I'm not talking about that fight. Oh, we're talking about it. No, no, no. I'm talking about him doing it to like just putting somebody to sleep. [1:24:44] I don't think I saw that. It was him on a couch, and he put the guy to sleep. This is a regular Joe. Armin did this? Yeah, man.

[1:24:52] Jamie? No, no, no. Sorry, Jamie. I thought you were Jamie. Yo, he put him to sleep, and he held that shit on for an extra... [1:25:01] Too many seconds. Look at this. Watch this. No, no, I'm telling you. You tell me if you think it's too long. [1:25:08] That guy's neck makes me sad. But now look. To know that he's going to do that to him. Now look. And I'm going to have to see this. [1:25:17] Now ready? [1:25:18] Let's see. Now he's out, right? He lasted a long time. Yo, let down, man. What are you doing? What the fuck? He's out already. Let me find out. Oh, that's really crazy. Been out. [1:25:28] That's really cute. You are a killer. [1:25:31] That's really crazy. Yeah, that was... That's so unnecessary. That's what I'm saying. What the fuck? Yeah, that's a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Yeah, sorry, guys. I hate to bring the room down, but I'm going to do this. The crazy thing is Armin knows he was out right away. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Also, that guy's neck looks like it's never been choked. I felt sad for what he was going to do to it when I saw his neck. [1:25:52] His neck is making me feel sad because I know that's going to hurt. [1:25:55] That fucking gorilla, that dude's got a clamp on him, man. Little fuck is having soup for a week after that. Yeah, right? What's the problem? Armin's fucking grip is so incredible, man. [1:26:06] I'm just very impressed with him, man. Very impressed with his grappling. I just wish he could keep it together. Yeah. I mean, his striking is not bad, neither. He's okay. His first fight with Islam was very close. Very close. First fight in the UFC. I don't even think he got a full camp. [1:26:20] Probably not. I think it was short notice by...

[1:26:23] And he fought very well. It's just like crazy that fuck ups have kept him from being at the time. The missing the title fight was the big one. That was the craziest one. Like his back hurt. The day before. It's crazy. And you make a Natto Moikano go out there and not having prepared for him. [1:26:42] McConnell looked good against Duncan, man. Yeah. Money looked good. I like what he gets on that mic. I like what he gets on that mic, too. He starts talking shit. He's awesome. I wish he would have started talking shit even earlier. I always liked the guy, but he's fucking hilarious. He might be the best in the business right now. He's funny, man. He's just not getting enough mic time. He needs more mic time. When he gets on the mic time, money fucking McConnell. [1:27:07] Their podcast, he's good on there with him. [1:27:12] bullshit. Well, that was the thing. He's doing some streams. He's doing them in English and in Portuguese, but the Portuguese is doing better for him. And he's like, I'm making money off YouTube now. So I don't care anymore. I have my money. I have a big stream of revenue coming in from YouTube. Subscribe to my channel, motherfuckers. Fucking pay me, motherfucker. He's a character. You need that. You need some personalities in that. He's good, too. Remember? His fight with Benoit Saint-Denis. Oh, yeah. Right? [1:27:42] Right? And Mark Sandin is on his way to potential future title shop. That win looks real good. Real good. You can't judge him on that short notice shit. I know. What do you guys think of Hokit's shtick? He's so fun. You think it's fun? I think it's fun. He's horrible. I don't get it, man. I don't get it. I don't get it. Who are you talking about? Look, I'm all for talking shit. Heavyweight. It's not witty. It ain't funny. It ain't witty. It looks like he's trying too hard. Exactly. I love it. I don't get it.

[1:28:12] He's a pro wrestler. It's like pro wrestling. He's a smart dude. Bro, you talk to that guy. He's a smart dude. He knows what he's doing. He's being a goof. And here's the thing about people that act really goofy and stupid. You kind of... You go, that guy ain't shit. Like, they can trick you. They can trick you. You think he's going to beat Curtis? I don't know, man. Curtis is a lot. You know, it's a big step up. Especially this early in his career. Curtis has a lot of power. He's a big fucking dude. He's going to be a better wrestler, probably. He's got a lot of MMA experience. But Hokut's a hard dude to solve. Yeah. [1:28:41] He's a really good wrestler, and he's fucking hyper-aggressive, and he's got his best. He's fast. He's fast. He's athletic. He's one of the guys that I have my eye on. You think he can make 205, or you think he should? I mean, well, heavyweight's light, so maybe stay there. But really, we're just waiting for Gable. [1:28:59] Yeah. Right? We're ready. He's getting... Romanov, I think, is wrestling him. Yeah. I would not let him do that. I'd be like, what if you blow your ACL off? Yeah. What are you, crazy? Why are you doing this? You're going to be the heavyweight champion of the UFC. They've got to be paying... And Romanov's a big dude, man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I think he'll be fine, but... [1:29:18] When you think of guys that are like a Mike Tyson in MMA, like when Mike Tyson was coming up, that's what I think of when I see him. I'm like, how do you deal with that? How the fuck do you deal with that? He moves like a cat. He's 240 pounds. Olympic gold medalist. And he can KO you. And he's got a smart-ass guy in his corner. And he's got Jon Jones as a mentor. Are you fucking crazy? Fight IQ. Jon's one of the smartest guys.

[1:29:42] Yeah, you got that guy in your corner and everybody's saying. I mean, he's one of the only guys that isn't even in the UFC yet that I had him on my podcast. I was like, I got to talk to you. I mean, he's accomplished, I think, enough anyway. He's already a fucking Olympic gold medalist, NCAA champion. He's young. Got to be mid-20s. He's young. He's young. And they're doing it smart. You know, they gave him one of those, what are they called, dirty boxing? Yeah. Dirty boxing fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, did you see he jumped over the fucking... Jumped over the rope like it was nothing. It was pretty sick. [1:30:12] He just stood there and leapt over the ropes after he won and landed perfectly. No. Yes. Like the Hulk. Dude, after he won the NCAA championships, he can do roundoffs and literally boom, boom, boom like a gymnast. It's fucking crazy. And I guarantee you that we attribute to the speed that he has and covering distance. [1:30:35] He's dangerous, man. Watch this. Watch when he goes over this rope. This is crazy. [1:30:40] damn it's bj pen jumping out of the pool right yeah exactly i mean that is crazy but he just he just stuck the landing and started twerking effortlessly he's a monster dude real hard problem for people who wrestled named gable you better fucking be good yeah and named after dan after dan gabe yeah so he's been wrestling since he's a toddler and he's just such a fucking athlete and so smart just dedicated they're doing it smart too they're not just jumping him into the ufc [1:31:10] right away. He's getting famous outside the UFC. That's the way you do it. For sure. For sure. Try to bring him along as much as you can. Yeah, fuck your 10 and 10. Come on, son. Well, when they sell him, they're going to give him more than that. Brainstruck. But the thing is, you don't... Shit, he ain't getting that. Some people are of the opinion that you don't want to give a young fighter too much money early.

[1:31:29] Because it'll ruin their motivation. [1:31:31] I mean, there's truth in that, but I mean, it's not who's that for you to say, though. You know what I'm saying? I want my money. Exactly. Yeah. You don't get to determine that. I want my money. Guess what? I think the cream will still rise to the top. I think the guys that are dedicated that have a lot, like Floyd Mayweather, when he was worth hundreds of millions of dollars, would still never drink and run home from the club. From the club. So the people driving his Rolls Royce. He's so crazy. He's running behind it. Yeah. I mean, look at Armin, man. That guy's got money. He doesn't give a shit. He's got a private jet. Yeah. He's just, Armin's got a private jet? [1:32:01] on a private jet. Seems like he owns it. Jesus. Yeah, I think he's got some cash in it. His family has, like, tons of money. Yeah. But he still has the desire to be the best. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? It's either in you or it's not with that, you know? Maybe that's why he can't get his attitude together, too. Perhaps, right? He doesn't need it. Yeah. A bit spoiled in that way, right? Yeah. Who's disciplining him? You know what I mean? He runs his town, I'm sure. What do you guys think about Hamzat and Strickland? [1:32:26] Well, let me tell you. This comes down to Strickland's motivation. Well, I mean, he's got to be fucking motivated. How many more shots is he going to get? Yeah, but I mean... [1:32:38] He's worked with them before. I mean, I know they say that Comzat submitted him, but if you hear Strickland talk about it, they were doing positional rounds when you're starting on the back. He started on his back. I mean, come on. But I think when they moved around, I think he feels pretty confident with it. He's a hard guy to keep down, Sean. Yeah. Cardio is going to be on point. Who made Comzat look human? Gilbert Burns, Kamara Usman. I mean, they made him look human. And Drake is...

[1:33:05] Again, you don't want to see that rematch. Take the fifth round. But in that fifth round... [1:33:11] He did get into some decent positions. He just got reversed right away. I mean, Sean, if there's any bit of blood in the water, he's fucking a finisher. You know what I mean? He'll stay on him if he's hurt at all. He's durable. I mean, and everybody's saying how underrated his grappling is, the guys that are working with him. So, I mean, it's... That's all I've heard, too. And he's so hard to hit, man. [1:33:32] He's got a weird style. [1:33:34] It's very weird. It fucks you up. And he's really good at moving back away from shots. He's circling out while the hands are in your face, too. It's weird. He also throws, like, looping shots on purpose sometimes. Like, you would think it's bad technique. But he's, like, finding a way around your guard. Yeah. And he's catching you with weird stuff. And his fucking jab is on point. Is that fluffy? Did you call me that one? No. I was there for that. And you could hear it. Like, you don't always hear that. He was smashing fluffy. [1:34:04] and Fluffy was blocking him. And it was hard. It was heavy. He was mixing his kicks in there well. He's going to have to watch that. And he wasn't getting hit, man. The thing about him, if you watch him when he's on point, he's so fucking hard to hit. [1:34:17] He just fucked up with Alex. He just can't make any mistakes with Alex. It seems like everybody fucks up with Alex. He's the freak. He doesn't negotiate with you. He's just like, you fuck up, it's over. [1:34:28] Do you think that translates to heavyweight with Gon? [1:34:31] Thank you. [1:34:32] I don't think so. I think God is a little bit too...

[1:34:36] I think Gon would decision him. Good chance of fucking dancing and jabbing his way to victory. But that's what I'm saying. Gon is going to like... If he mixes it up with him, I think Alex could... [1:34:48] put him out. Here's one thing. Gone hasn't been 185 pounds since he was 12. Right? Yeah. I mean, that's a big heavyweight, athletic, moves like a cat, and he's got world-class striking skills, man. Tom Aspinall fight, that first round opened up a lot of eyes. Like, he looked fucking good, man. He opened eyes all right. Opened up fucking Tom's eyes. Hey, dude, I feel bad for Tom, man. Me too. [1:35:13] Talk about a guy that got the shit end of the stick. I was knuckled deep in his fucking eyes. Two surgeries. And everybody's like, ah, walk it off. Fucking poor guy. It really was. I just think that was handled poorly right after the fact. [1:35:27] I think you have to address right after the fact that... [1:35:30] You have to probably tell people, like, what kind of injuries can be sustained from this. They're permanent. Look at Michael Bisping. Still can't see out of his right eye. [1:35:37] You can't just have a guy go back into a fight when he can't see. It's crazy. It's crazy to ask. The guy's eye's been injured. If he gets hit again, it could rupture. Who knows? Who knows what kind of damage you have back there? So who do you think was irresponsible? Sarah O'Gon. Sarah O'Gon. I mean, but in terms of handling the situation afterwards, you think it was Tom's? [1:35:57] Well, I think – It's fault or the UFC for not being, like, getting us back on it. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana. Selling your car should feel like one less thing on your list, not one more. With Carvana, it is. Just go to Carvana.com, enter your license plate or VIN, and get a real offer down to the penny. No back and forth, no surprises, just an experience you can trust. Like your offer? Accept it. Schedule a pickup, and we'll come to you with a check in hand. Your car, your timeline, your terms.

[1:36:27] your car today. Carvana. Pickup fees may apply. [1:36:30] This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Once you've got a great name for your business, you need a great domain. And Squarespace makes it easy to lock in a domain. You just search the name you want, buy it, and then you're ready to build. No hidden fees, no weird upsells. Go to squarespace.com slash Rogan for a free trial. And when you are ready to launch, use the code Rogan to get 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. [1:37:00] If... [1:37:03] I was doing a press conference afterwards. [1:37:05] What I would emphasize first and foremost is how dangerous eye pokes are. Yeah. But I think we've neglected some simple solutions. [1:37:13] And I think there's got to be a solution that we use to stop these fucking fingers from going into people's eyes. Point deduction right away. Point deduction is the easiest. One – you touch someone's eyeball with your fingers. Unless it's a complete scramble. You're doing this. His head happens to be there. But if you're doing this when a guy's coming in and your fingers go in his eyes, one point. Every fucking time. Every fucking time. For sure. No judge's discretion. Yeah. No referee's discretion. Poking the eye. Ow! Ow! [1:37:43] One point. Did you ever ask Dana about the pride gloves, what happened to them? I did. Because they should own that tech, right? That's good. The best stuff is Trevor Whitman. Right. Just pay the man a little bit of money and do it. I was trying to broker something, and I might still be able to do that to try to figure out a way to just like. Those gloves are perfect. The knuckles curve over. Your hands are in this position. It does not impede your grappling. It's easy to do that if you want to, but the natural position is like this.

[1:38:13] So if you're doing this, it's because you wanted to do that. It's not like the gloves are forcing your hand open like a lot of people complain about now. [1:38:20] Can't you hear some mad scientists on this? Here's the mad scientist. Cover the tips of the fingers. You don't use them anyway. [1:38:26] True. Nobody does this, right? So you're always grappling like this, right? Yeah. So cover it with like a mitten. Yeah, little mittens. Like a leather top. I want to wear a mitten. So your thumbs are free. So you still have some potential eye pokes from thumbs. But that mitigates a lot of it. That mitigates a lot of it. And you... [1:38:46] Completely stop all this stuff because now you have a solid thing. Yeah, it's not gonna go knuckle deep in one finger goes in one fingers on your eyebrows and it's just fucking digging in and [1:38:56] That's crazy. That would all stop if you had a mitten. Well, I mean, there's not a lot of eye pokes in bare knuckle. [1:39:03] Right. Right. [1:39:04] That is interesting. And it's because they're always like this. Yeah. Because they're noticed. It's true. It's just these guys, they get in there and they're just like, [1:39:11] yeah so the way to stop it really I mean it's [1:39:14] Take away points and guys will be like this more. Yeah. I wonder if there would be less eye pokes in – [1:39:21] If you just think about MMA with gloves on, [1:39:25] If it was just boxing and no kicking and takedowns, maybe it's like all the different possibilities of things that are happening. That's what it is. It's like they're trying to avoid the takedown and blocking kicks. Yeah, everything. So that's why you're doing this. Because Muay Thai guys do this all the time. Boxing guys very rarely do that. No. Very rarely. Very rarely.

[1:39:45] Unless they're showing off and they're about to hit you with a big right hand. Bang! Like Deontay Wilder. Right, yeah, he'll be screaming off like this. Yeah, old school Deontay Wilder would literally hold his fist in front of your face and then wing one. [1:39:56] Wing a nuclear bomb at your head. [1:39:58] Thank you. [1:39:59] I think you just got to discourage guys to close your hands. Cover the fingers. Is he fighting Joshua? Cover the... I don't know. [1:40:07] I don't know. I thought I heard something about that. That's a tough fight. [1:40:10] He's too skinny for that. At this point, he looked good in the Chisora fight in moments. There was moments. He said, I love you, and then Chisora said, I love you, too. And then he hit him. Knocked him out of the ring. [1:40:22] Deontay said he backed off on him because he saw he was hurt and he wanted him to go home to his family. I love you, too. He fucking knocked him down. Deontay did ayahuasca. [1:40:31] And I think a lot of times when a straight-up assassin like Deontay Wilder meets God, it probably takes a lot of that mean out of your heart. You need a little of that mean to land those haymakers. You've got to be angry. It's true. Yeah, you don't want to be half a hippie when you're going in there. You want to talk about one-punch power, though. [1:40:50] That guy might be the greatest of all time. [1:40:53] Deontay, he was pretty damn close. 48 knockouts in 49 fights. Yeah, he was fucking people up. And he was not a great technical boxer. He started late in life. That right hand just was fucked Thor's hammer, was dropping on people's heads. Teddy Atlas always calls it the eraser. Any mistakes you make, that right hand erases them all. I always wanted to see him fight Ngannou. That would have been wild. That would have been the fight to make.

[1:41:23] That would have been the fight to make. Them two bombing at each other. Yeah, they could actually still do that. Yeah, why not? They could still do that. Like, Ngannou, if you want to look at it from a business standpoint, man, that guy's killed it, right? Yeah. Went over and got that crazy contract with the PFL. He got a chance to fight Tyson Fury. Knocks him down, becomes a legend. Then gets a big money fight with Anthony Joshua. That doesn't go so good. And then he has his reintroduction to MMA. He fights that dude, Hennon. Right, the 6'8". Hennon Ferraro. [1:41:53] beats them down. [1:41:54] So he made, what, $20 million in that fight? Something crazy like that? He had a crazy contract, right? Yeah. [1:41:59] And he had a contract where his opponent had to make at least $2 million. Who does that? Yeah. How do you not love the guy? I know. How do you not love that? Right. He puts it in his opponent must make at least $2 million. Yeah. [1:42:12] I don't know, man. And now he's got to be making a lot for this Netflix thing. Netflix thing, they've got to pay him because they need legit names. [1:42:20] You know, Felipe Lins, he fought at light heavyweight in UFC, right? Yep. Yeah. I worked with him a bit at top team. And I mean, this is a big moment for him. [1:42:31] That's all I can say. Like, I don't know how he's going to do. It's a big moment for him. Yeah. I'm happy, Nate. [1:42:36] is making that money. Mike Perry, too. I'm happy for them. Yeah, I heard those guys are getting paid. It's nice, because this is a thing where if a fighter is in contract negotiations, they have their last fight on the contract, and they decide not to fight or not to sign until after the fight. They do make that decision, which legally they can do, right? Then all of a sudden, Netflix is calling. Yeah, yeah. Especially if you win big. If you win big, some stunning knockout. For sure. And then you come over to

[1:43:06] What, 12? Yeah. A fight? That's nuts. And that forces everybody. [1:43:10] Forces everybody's hand. That's what business is supposed to do. That's how it's supposed to operate. It's good. That's what's good for the fighters. That's the most important thing. And that's good, right? But that's just like, that's why I'm hoping that this Netflix thing can be sustainable. I hope so, too. Yeah, because like, if they just do a one off, it's like, again, I'm a terrible businessman. Yeah, I'm terrible at it. Yeah, me too. But. [1:43:32] Just give the money to the fighters. They're the ones who fight. Right. Without that, you got nothing. Right. Everybody's making plenty of money. Yeah. Come on. It's going to be big, though, for sure, this thing. [1:43:45] Everybody's going to watch it, I think. A hundred percent. It'll be huge because everybody has Netflix. They're going to watch it. It's going to be crazy. [1:43:52] Ronda could become a superstar again. Well, she's already a superstar. But, I mean, if she wins again, then people start talking about, like, maybe Ronda's going to come back to the UFC. And then maybe it's like a WWE moment. Ronda and Dana shake hands on a stage with, like, Erica Kirk fireworks going off behind them. [1:44:09] And Drew Skeet dance. Ronda and Kayla Harrison. White House lawn number two next summer. Oh. [1:44:18] I don't think she would do well in the UFC. But this is great for her. [1:44:22] She's done with the WWE and all that stuff. Yeah. I bet it's probably hard for her. I mean, she probably enjoyed the job. It was a great job. Made her a lot of money. But it's probably hard for an elite competitor. [1:44:34] to do these stage things. She's an elite competitor. Instinctively, she just wants to compete. 100%. She doesn't want to fake compete. Some guys did it right. Kurt Angle turned out to be a real good pro wrestler. Oh, no, listen. It's a great gig.

[1:44:51] Don't get me wrong, but I'm saying for someone who still can fight. Oh, yes. I got you. Your angle was done at that point when he went to pro wrestling. I went to that. Who won the Olympics with a broken neck? Jesus. Savage. I just went to the headquarters in Connecticut. It's pretty well. Oh, nice. Yeah. That's right. I saw you did something with that. Stephanie McMahon's podcast. She's very nice, Stephanie McMahon. Nice. And, uh... [1:45:13] I've seen that whole fucking place. If you're into WWE, it's like a fucking nerdgasm. I'm not really into it. Bro, Tony Hanceworth would cream his pants. Oh, my God. He would cream his pants. He's already been there, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. He's working with them now. Is he? Yeah, yeah. He's doing stuff with the WWE. Yeah. [1:45:31] Is he writing for him? He's going to be in some shows. He's going to be a bad guy doing some things. Oh, my goodness. He should be like a manager. He's so happy. He's so happy. That's great. I don't know how much I could talk about this. I have to be quiet. I don't know how much this is public. But they're already announcing they're doing some stuff with Kill Tony. And he's going to roast WWE people. They're doing some stuff like that. They're doing a lot of collaborations together. It's perfect. That guy's a giant wrestling fan. He loves it. [1:46:01] He loves it. He fucking loves it. And he's the best roaster, too, man. The best. When I be seeing him at the fights, I don't say shit. I'm like, yo, I don't want him coming at me. He had Dana's back. That's my boy. Yeah. He had Dana's back for the fucking time we had to do that thing at the Laugh Factory. Oh, yeah, yeah. Dana's like, yeah, we're going to do this thing. And nobody's coming in prepared. Meanwhile, he had Tony Hinkliffe. Yeah. He wrote his scene. He wrote his whole set like two months prior. That's hilarious. Yeah, Tony's the best at that shit.

[1:46:30] He's the best at cracking people, cracking on people, cutting people down. But the people that love that thing. [1:46:37] soap opera world of the WWE. It's [1:46:40] I don't hate on it. I see how much they love it. It keeps you entertained, man. They like it. You know what I mean? They're really smart at mixing things up and bringing in new characters and having new crazy moments. And if you're a nerd like Tony, like, yeah! I think they go nuts. It's like the same escape of watching. I always said it's like a male soap opera. Yeah, but it's like the same kind of escape that you get if you're watching Game of Thrones. It's just an escape. It's silly. For sure. This is crazy. Oh, my God. He's back from the dead. [1:47:10] See, but that's where I draw the line. I can't do it. I draw the line there. I can't do that. And I ain't got no problem with it. I just can't do it. I'm in the same camp as you. It's not my thing. I don't watch it, but I respect it. I respect how hard it is to do. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's fucking incredible to do. Remember, Matt, we wrestled in Memphis. Yeah, we did a little thing in the street. But we were just winging it. Yeah. [1:47:36] I was hoping you'd just let me get a submission. You fight me off. Come on, man. [1:47:40] I hurt my knee. It was tough, man. I was like, damn, this is harder than I thought. Oh, them guys take a beating, for sure. You can learn how to fall, but you're still falling. I met Hulk Hogan twice. I met him before when he did a promo with me with the UFC. It was when we were on [1:47:57] I think we were on Spike back then. But I met him a long time ago, and he was 6'5". He was this giant fucking dude. I was like, holy shit, it's Hulk Hogan. And then I saw him the last time he did my podcast, and he's like four inches shorter. And it's all from getting all of his spine fused. I was about to say, you're the same height now. I'm like, wait a minute. What the fuck happened here? He was like a big guy still, but he used to be a giant. He was like this towering fucking crazy guy, bald head. Thunder lips. He was so fun. That dude was so fun.

[1:48:27] But that's how many back surgeries he had and he said it was all from that move that he had. We dropped down like oh And then the big seat drop exactly so the seat drop every time he does that he's compressing discs 300 like 300 plus [1:48:43] Every night dropping down every night and just blowing his back out his back was just destroyed wow destroyed every every vertebrae destroyed and [1:48:52] Every disc blown apart. [1:48:54] herniations all throughout. Barely could walk. I was watching the Princess Bride the other day with fucking Andre the Giant. [1:49:01] Anybody want a peanut? Yeah, he's fucking great. My name is Diego Montoya. Love that. You're kidding my father. [1:49:09] Such a great movie. This is such a great movie. Great movie. Yeah, I put that on for the family. Have the kids watch it. It's a classic. It's great. Yeah, that's one that lasts ages. It goes through generations. Look at that fucking movie. Yeah, yeah, it holds up. [1:49:26] Fucking love it. You know? [1:49:29] They don't make them like that anymore. I just saw that Project Hail Mary. That's a nice one for the family. What is that? It's when Ryan Gosling goes to space and fucking has to save the world type of thing. [1:49:40] You know, it's more than that, but that's pretty much the premise. Where are these Artemis people at now? Are they passing the moon yet? [1:49:48] They already did. They passed it? What happened? So did they land yet? Are they back yet? [1:49:54] Where are they? It should be probably back in the next day or two. Well, who's going where? They went around the moon. They went all the way around the moon? All the way around the moon? No. No. They just went around it? They just went around and saw the dark side of the moon. Yeah, they took photos of the dark side of the moon. Oh, really? Yeah. They crashed on Friday. Oh, that's funny.

[1:50:11] Splash. Splash on Friday. I was getting ready to say, what? They crashed. So they land tomorrow. [1:50:16] Wow. So the dark side of the moon is only dark when the moon's not. It's not dark, like the sun still... [1:50:25] hits it the same amount the sun hits the light side of the moon. Is that true? Yes. The way the – I used to think – I'm a retard. I used to think that the reason why we only see one side of the moon – [1:50:35] Is because the moon doesn't spin. That's what I thought. No, no, no. The moon not only spins around us, but it rotates. But when we see it, the only time we see the moon during a full moon or a quarter moon or whatever it is, is when the sun is hitting the side that's always facing us. [1:50:51] Right. So when when it goes the other way, gotcha, that there's a different side that's facing us. But we don't ever get to see it because it's dark. Right. That's what it is. So we put this that I took pictures of the other side. [1:51:02] Exactly. Yeah. And there's aliens everywhere. I was about to say, yeah, let's say, what's on the other side? Yeah, yeah. There's a fucking big deal. Civilization on the other side? What's on the other side? And in that movie, he finds an alien, by the way. Oh, he does? This is not really a spoiler. It's in the trailers. I had that guy, Bob Lazar, on again recently. Who's that? You want to see a great documentary? It's fun. [1:51:23] First, I would say Jeremy Corbell's documentary, which is Area 51, Bob Lazar and Flying Saucers. Is that what it's called? [1:51:30] Bob Lazar, Area 51, and flying saucers. So this guy was an engineer, and he was hired to work on these... [1:51:39] spacecrafts that he didn't know what the fuck they were. And they told him, like, try to figure out this propulsion system. They brought him into this hangar. And this is in, like, 1988. And it's a flying saucer. It looks exactly like that thing on the desk. Right.

[1:51:52] Jesus. And it has an American flag sticker on it. And so he's like, oh, it must be ours. And then he gets in it and he's like, [1:51:58] What the fuck is this? It's made for people that are three feet tall. [1:52:02] There's no controls, no buttons, nothing. Why are you looking at me, motherfucker? Why? You only got to confirm that, motherfucker. Why are you three feet tall? You look right at me, you son of a bitch. [1:52:14] But he's got a new one out called S4. I recommend it to anybody. They did, like, CGI, and they de-aged him. Is it on Netflix or YouTube? No, it's on Amazon. Amazon? Some other places. What's it called again? S4. S4. I was just watching a series with you on that, Ancient Apocalypse. Was I on that? [1:52:32] Yeah, he was in that. Oh, with Graham Hancock. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Graham was my man. Do you know Rodrigo Gracie? Yeah. [1:52:39] A good buddy of mine, my old roommate... [1:52:44] Mm-hmm. [1:52:45] He's a fucking wacky guy. He's fucking funny. Funny as shit. So... [1:52:50] you know, [1:52:51] We were just out to eat last night with Danaher. We were talking about him. God, I love that guy. And he's like, oh, he's great. And he said, oh, I'm glad that Rodrigo's matured. I was talking about how he's doing good. He just visited me. He did my podcast, and he did a seminar at my place. So, you know, I was catching up with him. So he told me he was visiting Area 51 with his wife. [1:53:09] And he goes, so, yeah, you know, I always wanted to go there. So me and Fernanda, we drove down there and no, nothing was happening. So then I'm driving back. You got to drive back hours through like the dark desert, right? [1:53:21] So he's driving back and he goes, Fernanda fell asleep.

[1:53:24] So I had my laser pointer, so I'm just... [1:53:27] pointing at a sign, pointing at this. [1:53:29] He goes, Matt. And then I saw... [1:53:32] blue lights in the distance. [1:53:34] He goes home. [1:53:35] I want to make contact. He goes, she was sleeping. So I started taking my laser pen. [1:53:41] and pointing at it. He goes, and I didn't think nothing of it. And then [1:53:46] All of a sudden, I'm driving. [1:53:49] And I hear. [1:53:52] And I'll. [1:53:53] a yellow circle around my car and, [1:53:57] I wake up Fernanda. She's like, what did you do? And he's like, I just took my laser pen. It was a helicopter. [1:54:04] Fucking following them. [1:54:05] And he goes, he was getting down to like almost my roof. I didn't know what to do. They had a yellow spot around my fucking car. So she told me, we called the police. So they go, look, there's a helicopter following us. And they go, are you in a, they said the car, everything. They go, the authorities are waiting for you at the rest stop, whatever. So he goes to the rest stop. [1:54:31] Takes his laser pointer. He throws it in the garbage. I don't know why. And then he comes out. They... [1:54:37] They're like, look, they put him in cuffs and he goes to his wife, he goes, go in and get the laser pad, it's in the bathroom. She goes in the men's room through the garbage, finds it. [1:54:46] So they're saying, all right, you were – [1:54:48] you were shooting, interfering with a military helicopter or whatever it is. Like, in other words, it's a major crime here that he could be facing. He goes, man, he goes, I was shitting myself.

[1:55:00] The two pilots come over. [1:55:03] One of them takes off the helmet and... [1:55:05] cauliflower he is he goes fucking thank he trained under my cousin he goes my wife's yelling at me so he got out of it the guy trained under he's a brown belt oh my god how lucky dude that's so lucky i don't fucking on rego man only you bro that's so lucky yeah they probably thought they were trying to like fuck with planes because kids do that they shine laser beams at planes it's like [1:55:35] all the way up to Plain. I used to be with Rodrigo on 27th Street [1:55:39] He's like, man, watch this. We'd be out the window. [1:55:42] Guys walking down the street. [1:55:44] fucking he's like ah look at him jump on the cover look at him he's going to hell what's he doing that's so ridiculous a lot of people would think it's a laser sight on a rifle exactly that's what the fuck he's doing take that down don't do that don't do that around here he thought he was making contact he's making contact he's got a chopper [1:56:09] Yeah, they keep talking about making contact. I'm tired of hearing about it. Let's do it already. God damn it. Yeah, I want to see it. Yeah. [1:56:16] They're just dick teasing us. Ah, shit. I don't think... [1:56:20] But you're a sci-fi guy. Oh, man. Have you watched the Dune movies or no? No. I know. You don't want to give it a shot. I do. I don't have any time. They were good. But I get home, too. Like, if it's, like, late at night when I'm home and I'm by myself watching shit, I don't want to watch anything like that. I want to watch documentaries. I was about to say, man, take a week off of a documentary on fucking pyramids. I know. I got to, like... Dude, we're not going to find out what happened with the pyramids next week. Yeah. Watch Dune. Get close, man. The Dune...

[1:56:50] movies are so fucking good. I heard they're amazing. Josh Brolin is great. Now they got the Dune Messiah. Yeah, they got a third one coming out, right? Yep. Third one coming out. And this guy can't miss. Everybody keeps telling me how awesome they are. They are good. They're good. They're very good. I tried to watch. It was kind of slow. Yeah, you know what? You get that. It's kind of slow. Sensing opinions. I don't know. Hey, you know what else? Who [1:57:17] Who? [1:57:20] Come on! Just like we planned. Remember you told me, hey, bring that shit up. No, no, you didn't. He came out with a... You paid him. Flowers. Flowers. I got it. I did a short film. Hey, wait, wait. That's why Dean picked up dinner last night, I see. No. No, I did that because of my new job. The hair mouth. I'll tell you right now, you almost gave me a heart attack when you reach for that fucking bill. Yeah. Is this a movie that you put together? Yeah, yeah. What's it about? Wow. [1:57:47] Yeah, it's about a female in an abusive relationship. [1:57:50] Wow. Look at you, Mr. Sensitive. There it is. There it is. Flower. Oh, boy. No shit. The multi-talented. Yeah. [1:57:58] You know, nothing to do with cage fighting. Look at that. Dean Thomas. Nothing. [1:58:02] That's incredible, dude. Congratulations. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm going to start shopping at the film festivals next week. That's awesome, dude. That's awesome. [1:58:10] I like when people spread their wings you got to life is short you don't want to be in a box you want to be able to do all kinds of different things and you can do whatever the fuck you want so I try to do whatever the fuck I want

[1:58:23] I'm telling you, that's how to live. Yeah. That's how to live. There's too many people out there not doing what they want to do. That's a hell. It makes me sad, actually. It's a sad existence. Yeah. You know, and a lot of people are doing it because, like, you got to take care of your family, and I get it, and I respect it. Maybe you have a good time at work. That's great. [1:58:40] But if there's a thing you want to do while you're still breathing, you should do it. You should try. At least try it. Get it out of your head. I feel so fortunate when I fucking have my day-to-day. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because I'm not like you, Dean Thomas. I don't want to do shit. He's got another job every other week. He does. He's asking how I'm doing. I'm like, dude, my school. [1:59:03] And Talios Pizzeria, no bro-mate, no bleach. [1:59:08] And my podcast, I'm having fun with. And UFC Unfiltered. Dude, it's just such a perfect little thing for me. I don't want to do anything else. Beautiful. It's so much fun. There's a lot of... [1:59:18] power in saying no. [1:59:20] Oh. You know, saying no to things. I don't want to do anything more. Like, just enjoy what you're doing. Yeah, exactly. You don't have to keep piling on. But the thing is, once things start going good, you start saying, boy, I better not say no to nothing. No. I better just keep saying yes. Yeah. No. I should do that. Yeah. I'll find the time. [1:59:36] But once you get to the point where you can say, no, that's a great place to be. Oh, it's the best place to be. Is your heart in it or not? Do you want to do that? Exactly. Shoot, man. The day-to-day, your day-to-day life. That's what I love about Longo. Longo's, you know, it's funny. He's holding for my daughter now, which is so great. She had her first kickboxing, Imagine One, I told you. That's awesome.

[1:59:55] He sent us the pictures in the group chat. It's amazing, right? It's a proud moment. So proud. And it's just so cool, man, when I see him holding for her. That's awesome. He doesn't have – that guy is the best. He's just doing the same thing. You and him, if Paramount was smart, they would do a fucking whole series of you and him traveling to fights, working with people, hanging out and cornering each other. You guys in the corner are some – I'm like, keep the camera on, Sarah. [2:00:25] Ain't that the truth? It's the truth. We always talk about it in the commentary. [2:00:28] It's fucking awesome watching you guys in a corner. Good technical advice, but it's just fun. You guys are fun together. Just on an amateur card, we just got brought back together for one of my fighters, Adrian. This young Filipino guy. He's a good kid. He's a nurse. Always smiling. They're all nurses, brother. He went in there. Yeah, I'm a nurse. My wife's a nurse, too. But he went in there, and he's just like, I just have... [2:00:52] Just my one wish is to have you and Ray in my corner. He's such a nice kid. So we went in there. We cornered him. We didn't have to work the corner, though. The first round, he flatlined this guy. Nice. Oh, man. So, yeah, man. You guys are great on your podcast together, too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You got a crazy friendship. It's perfect. It's like the banter's hilarious. The two of you guys, you compliment each other perfectly. It would be a great show. I'm telling you. They better do something soon before the first episode is me and the guys taking Longo to a home. He's not getting any younger. [2:01:22] Hey, guys, field trip, Longo. Where are we going? Don't let him talk to you like that, Ray. I'm in your corner, Ray. Fucking road trip to the fucking home, Longo.

[2:01:33] Longo's got a lot of life. He's fucking good. Oh, my God. What do you think of Gilbert Burns versus Mike Malott? [2:01:43] Gilbert has lost four in a row, but he did it to all killers. You know what I mean? A lot of tough guys. Malai only lost once to Neil Magny in a fight that he was doing great in, but then he got Neil Magny because that guy's fucking survived. Never gets tired. Never gets tired. Ultimate discipline. Always in shape. He's righted the ship since then. Yep. And that kid's like the next Captain Canada. He's doing... People, they make an unfair comparison, like, are you the next George? That type of thing. But he's his own fighter. Right. He's got a great skill set. Good head on his shoulders. [2:02:13] family of studs his brother's like an ice hockey it's a good test for him Gilbert at this stage of his career you know yeah see if he still got it yeah you know he's the first guy to make Combs out look human [2:02:24] But when Morales did that to Gilbert, I was like, Jesus Christ. Morales is terrifying. He looks so big. It doesn't make any sense. I know. He doesn't make any sense. Yeah. [2:02:34] So when I was with Brady, when Brady got beat by him, and at the way, he looked okay, right? You know, a guy, he's 170 pounds. And the next day, he steps into the cage, and we're just looking like, oh, my God. He was huge. Massive, massive. Yeah. And when you're that much taller... [2:02:52] and you're the better striker? God, that's such a advantage. Yeah, it's a huge advantage. Because you can stand six feet away from a guy and just be like, Bougari, last week. Oh, man.

[2:03:05] I know Van Soar because he trained a [2:03:07] with ground control as a kid before he went off to college and all. I mean, the only thing I can say, first off, obviously, he was not ready for him yet. But he definitely showed a lot of heart because he fucking stayed in there and took it, man. Yeah, I was just thinking the exact same thing. I hope he comes back. I mean, personally knowing him, I felt horrible watching that. I was like, he wasn't ready for that yet. When you get an elite striker, you've got to realize that guy beat Pereira in glory. Pereira knocked him out twice after that. [2:03:37] But in the first fight, he beat Pereira. I think people thought he looked like ordinary in his first couple. He came out with a new version, and it was fucking impressive. He's fucking good, and he's training with Pereira now. And Glover. And Glover. Yeah. That's a great fucking camp. And Glover has so much knowledge. Yeah. That guy was in the dark for six years where he couldn't get into America. And during those six years, he was the boogeyman. Everybody talked about Glover. They're like, there's a guy that's in Brazil. [2:04:07] america but if that guy gets here he's fucking everybody up and that was glover glover was a he was always trained with truck chuck and um in yeah yeah up in slo and they're in danbury connect so and that's it they're not in vegas they're wild out so you know they ain't shit to do out there all they're doing is training yeah yeah dude just nothing but lyme disease in the [2:04:33] Yeah, Connecticut is...

[2:04:35] It's a good place to just not get distracted. [2:04:38] Just get to work. Danbury's where Rodrigo Gracie broke my elbow. [2:04:42] I was there. Yeah, you was there? [2:04:44] I was there. I didn't know you was there. Niagara? You know I was there. Yeah, Niagara, yeah. Damn, did you have to get pins in it? [2:04:50] No, they reset it, cast it. No pins. He told that story at the seminar. Oh, he did? Yeah. I had to bring that up. I was like 25 years ago. He said it. Because we weren't close at the time. Oh. And I was yelling shit, but I regret that too. And I want to wait. What did you yell? Break it. Break it. Because he let it go. He let it go. Oh. [2:05:14] And you didn't tap. Well, yeah. And right, which was great. [2:05:18] And then I was yelling at him for letting it go, which I was just psychotic because you're my friend now. But at the time, it was just... Well, to be fair, like, if I knew it was going to break, I would have tapped. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know it was going to break. Right. Yeah. Yeah. [2:05:31] Yeah, that's what the story told anything. He said that Hensel yelled at him to after that for letting it go. Why are you getting soft? [2:05:40] I got to get Hensel in here. Oh, he's definitely we were going to do it one day, but he was only in Austin for a short amount of time and I didn't have anything open. I couldn't get him in. [2:05:50] I'd love to sit down with that guy. What a legend. Yeah. Stories for days. And he's one of those guys, like, you hear about a guy getting a black belt, and you're like, okay. And you go, you got a black belt from Henzo. You're like, oh. Okay. Definitely. It's like Henzo Hickson, Jean-Jacques Machado. There's a few of those guys that are like, okay. Okay.

[2:06:07] that's a real black belt. Like, [2:06:10] I mean, Henzo's New York place is like one of the most legendary places in the history of jiu-jitsu. Have you had to write a history of jiu-jitsu with the Henzo Academy in New York City? Yeah. Holy shit, man. A hundred percent. Remember when he came over? Holy shit. He came over in 96? We had like an in-school tournament. [2:06:26] It was great because Craig Kukuk already had two schools for him. He had a Jersey school and... Where's that guy? No clue, man. No one knows who he is. That was my first instructor. [2:06:38] But he was not an easy guy to – he never let you get too close. I bought all the tapes. I learned Jiu-Jitsu from Per Kuku. I learned to mount escape from those tapes. It worked one day. I was like, oh, shit. He was a very good teacher. I was with him for two years before Hanzo came over. He was an early Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt. He was a black belt like early 90s, right? Like the Steve Maxwell era. He was one of the earliest ones too. I found out about him through the Gracie newsletter that I was applying to at like 17. I used to get that because I would buy the tapes. You get a newsletter. [2:07:08] And one newsletter, it was like every few months, it was announcing the first American Black Belt. And then like two newsletters later, they disowned them. They had a business. But then I found out through Black Belt Magazine that he was teaching in the village one day a week in the city. I go, all right. [2:07:24] They might have disowned him, but they couldn't take away his skill set. There was no place to learn on the East Coast except for Maxwell in Philly. So that's how I found Ku Klux Klan. [2:07:33] And then he partnered up with Henzo and... [2:07:35] And then I went with Henzo when they broke up, obviously.

[2:07:38] Why did they break up? I remember Henzo took me out to eat one time and he's like, look, [2:07:44] And I always got along with Henzo so much... [2:07:47] better right off the bat. Like, Hensel was just so warm and great. He'd invite me over to his house, and he was just such a... And Craig was always kind of a wall. He was a big German guy. Just, hmm. But, uh... [2:07:59] Remember one time he told me like look something with the business where he wasn't feel like he was being treated fairly You know, just leave it like that and then uh, he was look he goes if no one likes Craig he goes if you go with him and Me he goes people will go with him because of you because they like you and but I want you to come with me I go look I go ahead and at first I'm like is any you know, I was young kid I didn't know I go was any way you guys could make up he goes man. I [2:08:24] If it was Brazil, he'd be already dead. I go, all right. Okay, Enzo. All right, I got you. So much for that. [2:08:33] So I went with Enzo. [2:08:37] Craig kind of left him. So, Matt, where are you in the pecking order in terms of American black belts from Hensel? I'm the first American of the Hensel. Yeah. Okay. That's amazing. That's crazy. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's something that could, that's my biggest achievement right there. You know, he took me under his wing, Hensel. Again, I was a purple belt. He got me out of a security guard booth, taking me to Japan to corner him versus rings because he wanted me to see what it's like backstage. Dude, I was nobody. I didn't do anything yet. I'm like, oh, shit. Really? Japan? [2:09:07] He believed in you. Yeah, he put a lot into me. So I can't thank him enough, dude. That's what I say. That fucking camp. You just think about how many elite black belts Henzo produced. And then think of the John Donaher branch of it. Yeah, I know.

[2:09:24] Generationally, it dominates all the generations of jiu-jitsu. Especially now if you think of what Donaher's done. Oh, my God. I mean, his prize guide, Gordon Ryan, greatest of all time. For sure. [2:09:37] who they don't get along with so much now, like Nikki Rod and them, are still from Donner. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And all elite of the elite. - Yeah. - Nah, John. - That's a crazy lineage. - That's a guy that just put [2:09:49] 100% of himself into it and he's got a genius mind. I remember he didn't even own a television until my buddy Chad LeBron who was moving back to Virginia gave him something. He gave him one so he could watch. It had I think a VHS and a DVD thing where he wanted to just study wrestling tapes and Japanese tapes. He used it just to study. I have a question for you. Whatever happened to Eddie Wolverine? [2:10:11] Yeah, so I asked him about that last night. What's his last name again? Cummins. Cummins, yeah. What did he say? He got into some kind of business now? He's not really training as much? God, that guy was good. Yeah, he was good. He was leg locks, man. Early in the day. Yeah. Like, as the leg lock revolution was unfolding, that guy was at the front line. Yeah, that was John's first, you know, savage he put out. I remember. Bro, and, you know, just super, super technical, you know? Yeah, a little guy, too. And trained a lot of those guys in leg lock technique, too. You know, they all shared techniques. Yeah. [2:10:40] Oh, yeah. [2:10:42] I think it's just amazing that John drives. He never drove in. It's like, how did you get here? He goes, oh, I drove. I go, you fucking... With a rash guard on and a fanny pack and an Adidas sweatpants. He was dressed up last night. He had an all-blacks polo shirt on. I go, yeah. From New Zealand, yeah. Yeah, a New Zealand all-blacks polo shirt. Matt asked him, he goes, what, no rash guard? And he goes, oh, I got dressed up for you tonight. Well, he probably went back home to his family, and his mother was like, honey.

[2:11:10] You've got to represent. Everywhere. It is crazy. That's Hollywood where. He's teaching at Kingsway now, Gordon School. Now that Gordon's done competing, he's got that school going on. He's like a character in a movie. Like, he's not supposed to exist. Danner? Yeah. He's a philosophy major at Columbia. [2:11:27] Who falls in love with Jiu Jitsu because he's a bouncer. He wants to learn self-defense. Who bounces that scores. Yeah. He's like jacked power lifter bouncer who played rugby. He was like 220. He was yoked up. Jacked. And so then he learns Jiu Jitsu and becomes obsessed with Jiu Jitsu. But his body's all fucked up from rugby. He's got a fucked up knee. Then his hip gets fucked up. So he can't really compete. But... [2:11:50] He is such a jujitsu fanatic that he trains the best guys of all time. It's kind of nuts. It is nuts. And that's all he cares about. [2:11:59] He doesn't give a shit about anything. He doesn't give a fuck about social media. Look at John. That's one of my favorite pictures. Oh, my God. Full head of hair, jacked, looking ready for a... [2:12:09] A gay date. John, definitely. It looks like he's wearing a skirt on. Yeah, it does. [2:12:16] And a blouse. John definitely would rock a headgear, too, when he wrestled. He's a bad motherfucker, dude. [2:12:22] Bad motherfucker. I know a lot of people who rolled with him that were shocked. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Dude, John would do privates and wrestle everybody all day long. [2:12:29] Yeah, he lived it. He still lives it. That's all he does. And it's just so fortunate that you get a guy who's that smart. [2:12:37] Like in everything. Like he's really well read history, all kinds of – he's a very interesting guy to talk to. He's a genius. But he becomes obsessed only with jiu-jitsu. He didn't have a family. He doesn't have – Yeah. He doesn't have a wife and kids he's got to take care of. I love that. Choking people. When you have us out here, it's like a routine now. Now every time we come out, I get dinner with him. I don't see him too often. Right. It's great. It's like a little reunion. Yeah. Each time we come to town. I'd be with him how many days a week. We'd just train and go to Burritoville. They were in Puerto Rico during the pandemic.

[2:13:07] and they were having a hard time there. And I was like, come to Texas, baby. Come on down. I'll tell you, you're the Pied Piper. They all ended up here. [2:13:17] Well, it's a fun place, man. It really is. Well, I heard the whole Puerto Rico thing was good for a while, though. I was talking to Nicky Rod about that. He said it was great. He was like just like being in Puerto Rico with your friends in like a frat house training jujitsu all day. It was like amazing. Well, especially because they were shut down. Yeah. And in Puerto Rico, you have outside like you can get light into the room. So it kills the fucking staff better. Yeah. Right. How many guys got staff from that basement jujitsu? Right. Right. At least the blue base. [2:13:47] There's a lot of funk. [2:13:49] It gets on those mats that if you're not careful. Fucked up his belly with all the antibiotics. That's from staff. Dude, my fucking belly. Joe, on the way here, on the way to the JFK. I told you this. Because I always got my issues, but I usually give myself like... [2:14:04] If I'm going somewhere, like on a car trip or anywhere, like I clear out for at least an hour and a half to two hours. Like I'll give myself my espresso in the morning, two seltzers, and then I just let it go to work and I'm pushing on my belly because things get stuck in there. So I thought I gave myself enough time and I was going to JFK for my house. 30 minutes was crazy. [2:14:24] 9 in the morning. [2:14:26] 10 minutes into that fucking car trip, I go, I'm not fucking making it. I go, I'm not. And the guy was – my driver was such a good guy. What a nice guy. I gave him a fucking tip. Good tip. So we're driving. I go, let me just keep watching videos on my phone. I'm like, let me just try to let my mind go somewhere.

[2:14:46] The clock wasn't moving. I look back. I go, that's another minute. I go, there's no way I'm making this. So I'm on the Bell Parkway. It's not like you could just pull over. [2:14:54] So I go, you know... [2:14:56] I go, buddy, I go, I'm sorry, man. I go, I'm not going to make it. I go, we got to pull over. He goes, oh, there's no way really to pull over. You want me to take an egg? I go, go off an exit. I go, you're going to have to do something. I go, I'm not making it. I go, can I have your 7-Eleven cup? I go, he goes, oh, do you have to pee? I go, no, I'm going to shit in your cup. I go, no, I'm sorry. I go, sorry, sir. I go, but I go, I go, I knew it was, it's just, it's going to happen. [2:15:26] biggest fucking fear, and it's coming to life. So this guy, it's okay. He got over. We almost hit a fucking car. I'm on the side... [2:15:36] There's not even bushes or anything. There was some brush. Nobody could see you behind the car. Everybody saw me. You know, this guy. You could sit on top of your head. I got out. As I'm taking my pants down, fucking, I'm going, thank goodness I made it. [2:15:51] And fuck, I get back in. I go, buddy. You shit in the cup? No, I didn't shit. I just piss. Oh. But it's like... [2:15:58] Well, I mean, I felt my asshole bubbles, but nothing. You know, when you feel like, you know. [2:16:06] It's like that with you when you have to pee, too? Sometimes I have to do both. Like, I'm like, I have to pee, but I know to really get it all out, I have to push it. Hey, everybody, how's my ass? So with pee, though, like, you can't just hold pee?

[2:16:21] Man, I can, but not to this. Not like how you used to be able to? Well, it's not like. It's one of those things where. [2:16:30] I have to clear out in the morning and I thought I totally cleared out, but sometimes I'm like, "All right, I'm good. I pushed out totally." [2:16:36] And then it kind of just gets something else in the chamber or something. I'm like, oh, no, no. There's still something left. So we're driving. I'm like, when I get the feeling, it's such a horrible feeling. [2:16:47] Because it's not about willpower. It's not about thinking of something. I'm like, dude, it's going to fucking happen. This is the day that I just piss myself. It's going to... But thank God, dude, I gave a custom... It was 78... [2:17:01] for the trip. I gave him a $50 tip. I go, dude... [2:17:05] Thank you, bro. You're a fucking hero. This guy fucking saved my fucking ass. Because someone else, they'd be like, hey, dude, fuck off with it, or don't do this in my car. Dude, I'm like, it's happening. I go, give me your coffee. He's like, hold you up to pee. [2:17:22] Obviously. But he made it, but I couldn't do it. A 30-minute drive there, I couldn't fucking make it. That's crazy. It's scary. But as you get older, it's hard to hold it, man. [2:17:35] colitis has to do with that. It has to have something to do with that. Because that sounds crazy. The page just comes on that quick. [2:17:43] I've had it before, but like, I don't know if I told you, I maybe said it the last time here, we were going to an aquarium out east with my family. And it was one of those things, just like this. And I get out of the car, and then we're looking, and I'm like, I can, and then I see there's like a line out the door. I go, I'm not making this. There's no way I'm making this. So I go, honey, I'm, she goes, okay, go, go. So I fucking, there's like a post office with those, those, those.

[2:18:04] bushes that come straight up like they're all tight together. I fucking smoosh myself through. The second I take my dick out, fucking bees come around my fucking head. I go, dude, I'm going to get stung because I'm not going out with my dick. And fucking, I didn't get stung, but I definitely had some on the front of my pants. [2:18:24] What are you going to do? I'm a very clean person. Thank God you're not a woman. Imagine being a woman in that situation. Oh, man. There's no hiding it. Yeah, man. [2:18:39] These are the things you got to deal with when you get older a little bit. I am getting my stem cells. That's hopefully going to help me. What is the cause of alterative colitis? What do they say causes it? [2:18:48] Ah! [2:18:50] I don't know. I mean, I think some of it's my history. I know one of my brothers had Crohn's, which is even worse. Crohn's disease to level up. Yeah, man. So I know my grandfather. When he was getting older, though, he had some shit. Have you ever, like, sworn off pasta? [2:19:03] Well. Just like taking months off to try to go carnivore? I did go gluten-free for a while. [2:19:11] you know, but you know, even espresso, I go, come on, man, I gotta live. Listen, I know, I'm with you. Every time I go to New York, I have to eat Italian food. Like, I'm looking forward to May, the Jersey shows, so I can get some fucking New Jersey Italian food. I gotta take you to Italians, bro. You'll love this pizza. Let's go. You will. You loved it. Oh, yeah, I'm trying to come up next week. I'm sure I love it. I'm sure I love pizza. No, no, just their fucking, no bleach, no probate. Don't give me something. But it's so, I could eat it. I could eat three slices on the way to my school.

[2:19:41] THE CITY IS GOING TO BE ABLE [2:19:42] and I'm not fucked up. [2:19:43] I could train and it's fucking if I did that with a fucking regular slice of pizza, you don't want to take a nap. Yeah, you know, so it's even my wife now orders the zero zero flour. The from Italy. Yeah, we get that. She makes the pizza. She makes fresh bread. I feel like I got a Game of Thrones. I'm in my suit. That place is the Vegas place. Yeah, to it. Gaetano's. Yeah, all Italian flour, all handmade pasta. I [2:20:09] Oh, yeah. Tonight we want to go to a place. Hey, let's go. I want to fucking do that thing. Get to my fucking hotel and shit myself. But I wonder if you did that, if it would have an effect. You know who cured his fucking ulcerative colitis? It's George St. Pierre. How did he do it? He said it's one of the reasons why he was stopping fighting. Fasting. Fasting. [2:20:28] Really? Yeah. [2:20:30] interesting fasting did that that's what he told me that's what he said I mean but he does some hardcore like three days long shit yeah he does like at least three right three days nah I can't do that I do 24 hours sometimes yeah but that's not that hard [2:20:44] Yeah, I mean, you stay busy enough. I think if you're busy, definitely. Yeah, you just eat a big dinner and then don't eat to the next dinner. What is that? Cherry cola. Oh, is that a new one? Dude, you know you got him all hooked on those things. It all started from here. It all started from here. [2:20:58] But, uh... [2:21:00] It is tasty. Oh, that's delicious. Yeah. Oh, that's good. I love it. [2:21:05] They're illegal in California. They are? Isn't everything? Why? You can't have flavored nicotine in California. Why? What the hell is that about? Is that like, I don't know. Because they just want to be able to tell you what to do. Yeah. That is a symptom of the, you can go buy whiskey. You can go to CVS and buy a jug of whiskey and drink yourself to death. But you can't buy flavored. But you cannot buy flavored Zins.

[2:21:28] That makes no sense. That makes zero sense. You can't buy flavored vapes. [2:21:33] Because they don't want to encourage kids. Because you know how kids are. [2:21:36] They just want flavored Zins. I hear them talking about it all the time. It's so fucking stupid. It's so stupid. California is just so dumb. They just want to tell you what to do. It's a bunch of nannies. And if it's legal, they're going to tax it and regulate it. Exactly. And everybody's moving out. [2:21:53] People just flee in that state like it's on fire. Everybody's coming here. [2:21:56] They're coming here. They're going to Tennessee. They're going to Florida. They're going anywhere. They could just be left the fuck alone. I think the hell not coming to New York. New York's not much better. No. Well, hell, everybody's running out of there, too. Not me. I'm there for life. I'm not going away. Yeah, it just sucks when the government gets goofy, and you're like, what are you talking about? Now that Kathy Holcher lady is saying, go to Palm Beach and get those people to come back to New York. Remember before? All of you go move to Florida. Yeah, that's what she said. [2:22:27] Which is a crazy thing to say. That's a crazy thing to say. It's so delusional. [2:22:32] But that lady's nuts anyway. Yeah. [2:22:34] She said the vaccines were a gift from God. She talks crazy. It's like people are so tired of Cuomo. They're like, who else? Okay, fine, you run it. You know what I mean? It's like, how would that lady become your best choice? That seems nuts. That makes me concerned that [2:22:51] Stephen Corbett is doing the next fucking Lord of the Rings. Who is? He's writing the movie or something, him and his son. Really? And I know he's a fucking little bit of a widow. Wait a minute, Colbert? Yeah. Colbert Report? Peter Jackson was making an announcement. I know all the nerd news. Peter Jackson was making an announcement about a new Lord of the Rings movie he's coming out with, and I'm partnering up with, well, let me show you. And all of a sudden...

[2:23:16] They go to Stephen Corbett reading a Lord of the Rings book. Oh, hey. You know, they planned it. And he's like, yeah, I took it from this part of the thing. So you're going to have any dancing syringes in there? Poor Tolkien. They shit all over his thing. That rings of power is just a... [2:23:31] fucking mess. Piece of shit. What is that? Orcs with feelings? Orcs with feelings? Oh, yeah, yeah. They're making orcs with feelings? Yeah, like, oh. Yeah, they were like, yeah, they had feelings, and they were like, they were like kids. They were like little kids. Wait a minute. It was weird. What? Yeah. What is this? Rings of Power, the Amazon series of The Lord of the Rings, is the biggest pile of shit next to the acolyte. Everybody's shitting on our fucking childhood, or shit on, they shit on the major... [2:24:01] franchises that had some really good lore, [2:24:04] Like everything from Star Trek, what the fuck they did with that. Dude, everything Disney touched, they fucked up. Marvel, everything. How do you fuck up orcs? No, no, they made them terrifying. Yeah, no, they weren't terrifying in this. How do you fuck up the Hulk? [2:24:17] Explain it. They make him smart. They make him a pussy. They gave him glasses. Donald's kicked his ass, and he never got his balls back if the Donald's kicked his ass. Right? [2:24:24] Yeah, that's an orc, bro. Yeah, now watch him with that. Dude with the helmet. Click on that dude with the helmet. They look like they have feelings. Jesus Christ. No, no, no, yeah. They're making them like they're discriminated against. Oh, no, it's fucking brutal. That guy's got feelings, for real? Yeah, he had feelings, and yeah. No, they're not supposed to have feelings. There's no more good versus evil. They're supposed to be like demons. Nope. [2:24:43] No, no. The one in the lower right-hand corner with the fucking helmet on? Look at that. Oh, fuck yeah, dude. You don't know his backstory. He might be a good guy. They were like, no, father. His backstory. No, father. I don't want him to be a good guy. Me neither. I want orcs, old school, like from the movies. That's why that Night of the Seven Kings was refreshing, because it had no bullshit in it. Hey, look, there you go. Wow. Boom. Well, give the guy a chance. Who knows? Maybe it's awesome. I was going to say he had a cameo in Desolation of Smaug.

[2:25:13] Oh, no shit. They did an animated series at The War of Roham, which was a piece of shit. They made a girl boss in there. All the cool dudes get killed, and the girl's killing everybody, and she knows everything. And they took it from like one, like she was in like one paragraph and fucking in the thing, and they just gave her this big backstory of being a badass. It's like the Fantastic Four with the female Silver Surfer. She appeared in maybe one or two comics. [2:25:42] Not a main character, no shape, no how, but boom. Is the real Silver Surfer in it too? No. No. They've got big things. Exactly. Not it. So there was a female Silver Surfer for a while? No. Like very sporadically. Oh, but there was. Maybe appeared in one or two. It was actually his... [2:26:01] Now you're getting on my nerd side. Yep. It was his wife before he was the silver surfer. Like Shalabal was his chick. And the Russo brothers. [2:26:12] They are – they've been hitting it out of the park with every Marvel movie they did. So they're doing Doomsday, which is going to be coming – which is basically going to be – they're putting out Endgame again in theater, in the theaters. And it's going to be like directly – [2:26:26] It's going to take place directly after that. Good, good. Well, I heard Brewing King Thor's coming, so I'm fucking ready for that. They did Winter Soldier. It's like the highest level of Thor. Oh, that's fucking cool. [2:26:39] Let's keep going. Oh, my God, you're such a nerd. It's fucking great. I don't know if it's coming. The highest level of Thor. The highest level of Thor is such a crazy thing for a grown-ass man to say. Big-ass, fucking grown-ass man. The highest level of Thor.

[2:26:56] loves my WWE I grew up on the college they ruined those fucking movies man it's fucking Thor um yeah Ragnarok was fun dude love and thunder horrible oh he's my my friend the rock monster and his life mate Bob right what the right why though what does that have to do with anything you gotta give credit to the DC movies then [2:27:19] Because they never ruined Batman. [2:27:21] right you know the the most recent batmans at least the christian bale batmans and then the robert pattinson yeah they were still pretty dark in like dark yeah just like like yeah it was like there's no bullshit in them there's no it wasn't they didn't they fucking murdered that thor they killed him and gore like christian bale played gore in that movie in the comics that is the fucking best thor story gore's uh like first off he didn't love him like he did on tv on the movie [2:27:51] Thor, his fucking dad, had to get a whole crew to come and fight this guy. And none of that really was showed in the movie at all. It was horrible, Love and Thunder. [2:28:03] I didn't know you were such a nerd. Oh, for comics. I didn't know. Why didn't they do it like the fucking... [2:28:09] Oh, wow. Look at him there. See if you can look in the comics, like the comic version of Gore, because it's not even close to what he turned into. Well, that was shit. That was shit. Damn, look out. Look at his... Click on that with your cursor's on. [2:28:22] What the fuck, man? Yeah, they wrecked. He was a perfect guy to play it, but they just ruined the character. Yeah, you can't blame Christian Bale. Yeah, they should have done it just by the comic books. You shouldn't be able to rewrite history like that and fuck it up.

[2:28:34] See if it's Gore the God Butcher. Yeah, that's Ruin King Thor, just in case you were wondering. Jesus Christ! How many Thors are there? How many Thors are there? Oh, it's the same guy. It's just levels. Oh. Explain that. Uh-oh. [2:28:50] Whoa. [2:28:51] Damn, he looks good in the movie. That's pretty dope. Probably also just the rendering, because I don't know that they've shown stuff like this. When does the movie come out? Later this year. [2:29:01] And so does Dune Messiah. It's a good year to be a nerd. Yeah. Well, the nerd movies sell the best, if you think about it. Star Wars. 100% guarantee. Harry Potter. Yeah. Yeah. [2:29:14] So the Harry Potter show that they do on HBO, I've read, find out if this is true. Put this into perplexity, our wonderful AI sponsor. If they made, it cost them $100 million each episode. What? The new one that's coming out? This new one, apparently it's so highly produced. [2:29:32] They've risked a billion dollars. Oh my God. It's supposed to be insane. Harry Potter? But it's Harry Potter. I feel like you can't miss with Harry Potter. Except with trans people. There's a lot of controversy with the casting. Because they did a race swap with Snape. Snape? He's like a guy that's... [2:29:53] $100 million per episode. That's going to be a rough one, man, because his backstory is not good. [2:29:58] It hasn't been confirmed yet. Several recent reports claim the budget is around $100 million per episode. Jesus. Seven planned season, eight episodes per season, 56 episodes total. That per episode figure implies an estimated total production cost of about $5.6 billion. It looks like it's done well. I saw the coming attractions. How are you? You have to. If you're going to do a Harry Potter, you've got to do it to the maximum. I've got to get into Harry Potter because there's not a lot of black characters in it, but there is one. There's one now.

[2:30:28] Before that, the one character, guess what his name is? [2:30:34] I'm not guessing anything. Dean Thomas. Shut the fuck up. I swear to God. Get it out of here. I swear to God. Really? I want my royalties. I want my royalties. How is it spelled? You got another goddamn job. It is spelled the real way, but yeah. There it is. There it is. Dean Thomas, my favorite side character. [2:30:52] I [2:30:53] Not many blacks. Get out of here. The one is Dean Thomas. So why is it controversial? Because they race swapped this guy? Because his backstory... [2:31:02] was... [2:31:04] I think he was in love with... [2:31:07] Harry's mom and then they fucking, I think they all beat him up and stuff. It's just not a good look. You know what I mean? Because he plays Black Snape. [2:31:15] So you're implying that they beat him up because he's black? Well, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it's not... But now it looks like that. I'm saying to make him... [2:31:23] Like a character that's... [2:31:27] I don't know. Why does he look like meat and milk? It could be interesting. He looks like meat and milk. If they just follow the books, it's going to be amazing. [2:31:36] I, you know, I missed the book. I was a little bit older. My kids loved the Harry Potter. You know, people, adults read the books and shit. I think it's the most successful books of all time. Is it? Yeah. I think so. I think it's like right up there with the Bible. Damn. I feel bad for that lady. Find that out. Put that into publication. She got crucified for just saying. Compare the sales of Harry Potter. She stuck their guns, though. She got crucified for being logical and reasonable and telling the truth and trying to protect women and all these fucking people.

[2:32:06] She said problematic things. I want to hold them down. Tell me what she said that's problematic. Yeah, that was a bit unfair to her. It's just... There was an article written about this one actor that did it where it said he... [2:32:18] is more concerned with being on the right side of Hollywood than the right side of history. [2:32:22] And that's accurate. Yeah. Because these people all don't want to offend these dorks in Hollywood that are out of their fucking minds. Enormously commercially... [2:32:31] commercially. [2:32:32] What does that mean? Enormously commercially successful, but the Bible has sold far more copies overall. Harry Potter series has sold over 500 million copies. Estimated for the Bible is around 5 to 6 billion copies. [2:32:46] How many copies of the Quran? [2:32:48] have been printed. [2:32:50] I mean, there's also multiple versions of the Bible, and there's seven books of Harry Potter, so there's not seven. Right, right, right, right. You could break it down so there's 45 books in the Bible, and those are also – Yeah, but most people buy it as the Bible. Correct, I know, but there's also the King James Bible. There's the Boston Bible. And there's the Old Testament. Yeah, so – [2:33:12] So by fewer coppers, Harry Potter book sales are estimated to have generated about $7.7 billion in revenue. There's not a Harry Potter in every hotel room in the country either. That's true. That's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah, they keep that Bible in that hotel room just in case. Right. That's a weird thing, right? Yeah. Why do they do that? I think someone donated it. Like there was a Bill Hicks joke he did about it back in the day.

[2:33:36] I forget. There was a name on the Bible. Like, it was a da-da-da Bible. Like, someone, like, one family donated Bibles to, like, every hotel room. The Gideon Bible? I think that's it. Is that it? Might be. I mean, that's one of the names. The Gideon family. I think that was the joke. That was part of the joke. Who the fuck are the Gideons? I was so depressed when I got here. I bought my MetaQuest. [2:33:56] And I realized I brought two right controllers. I'm like, no! I had my headset on. I go, no, no, no! I'm playing a game now. A new game. What's the game? [2:34:10] Jamie, get ready for this. Forefront. 16 on 16. [2:34:15] There's tanks, there's fucking choppers. [2:34:18] F-O-R-E. It is... Forget about part one. Forget about contractors. I know I hyped them up on here before. This fucking game is just pure adrenaline. [2:34:32] Okay. I just wanted to say that. I just wanted to get that out. Joe, I'm telling you, you used to like the Quake shit. Yeah, I want to see what it looks like. Show me what it looks like. This forefront is so good. Here it is. This is it. 16 on 16. Yeah, but where's the gameplay? This is the – you'd have to – I love the sniping. [2:34:49] Oh, you give me my behemoth, and I am fucking taking people out. Did you just bring that dude back to life? Yeah. Oh, yeah, you can have a medic there. You can have a medic there. [2:34:58] But it is so... Look at the tanks. But you're seeing this through your VR. It is so much fun. Me and my brother-in-law Edwin, we go on this motherfucker...

[2:35:08] And we take souls. You can get on a bike. You could do the four-wheeler. They have anti-aircraft. They have carriers, ACPs. They have tanks. How do you have a life outside of this? [2:35:19] Well, that's the problem with these things. [2:35:25] They're watching Love on the Spectrum, and I'm playing this. They like that show. The problem is these are too good. They're too fun. They could take your whole life away. No, I got a two-hour time limit. I play until my battery dies. That's good. You know? Two hours, that's all those things last? No, around that hour and a half. Hey. [2:35:43] After a day, making people more dangerous, do my podcast. You know, I deserve it. Oh, you deserve it. I deserve it. No, you deserve it. I'm just scared. I'm scared. I watch it, I get scared. You should. We can squat up. [2:35:54] No, no, no, no. Come on. You would get addicted to this. No, no, no. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a real problem. [2:36:01] Yeah. It was like... I can't play these things together. It was like a crackhead that couldn't get his lighter work into the... I was like... No! [2:36:08] Because that's how I like to kill time here when I'm fucking... I made a decision a long time ago to never bring, like, a gaming setup with me on the road. [2:36:15] I'm like, I can't do it. Everywhere he goes. Everywhere he goes. I'll be up until 4 o'clock in the morning. [2:36:23] Any first-person shooter where you're running around a map and there's another dude on the map and you've got to get a rocket launcher and fuck him up. It starts to feel real. It feels very real. Me last night and I had to go back to... What is this one? Old-fashioned. Oh, this is Doom. What does it look like? Oh, my God, it's Doom. Doom.

[2:36:38] It's Doom in VR. Oh, no. This is a problem. I've got to find this. But Doom is... I actually think this is the single player of Quake. Yeah. Oh, it is Quake 1. Yeah. Oh, wow. You like the Quake stuff. Love it. Love it. [2:36:52] But I'm more of a Quake 3 Arena guy. Because Quake 3 Arena, like show them some Quake 3 Arena. They got the graphics down, and then they had it set up where everything was online. So you didn't have to buy the new version of Quake and download it to your computer and run it and play it. No, it's online. So you just log in, and you're playing this, streaming. It's fucking phenomenal. It's like that now. It doesn't matter if you just get updates. Show some highlights of gameplay so you can see what it looks like. It's supposed to be the VR version. Here it is. [2:37:22] Oh, this is the VR version? Oh, Jesus Christ. Why are you showing me this? Don't show me this. Because I was going to tell you next that the Apple Vision Pro is being updated now so we can play with fire. Fuck, fuck up. Don't do this to me, dude. Don't do this to me. This is my game. I fucking love this game. As if you had a Starlink, you could just do this on the planet. Shut the fuck up. Oh, you're just kidding. I'm not doing this. Is it a battle royale? You just got to kill everybody? Yeah. The problem is, man, I start doing it, and if I start fucking people up, I can't stop. It's fun, dude. [2:37:52] it. [2:37:52] Not like, you know, I could win tournaments good, but I got pretty good at it. Like, I fucked these guys up. [2:37:57] The dude's in the studio. I fucked up. Oh, dude. I would get real addicted to it. Yeah, that's a problem. And then I'd start playing online and just going into rooms. Next thing you know, yep, your life is ruined. Oh, this is one of my favorite maps.

[2:38:09] You bounce out to this one and everybody can see you, so they're all sniping you when you're trying to come back. When you get the God power, now you just fucking destroy everyone. All right, you're speaking my language. Yeah, look at this, bro. You got a rail gun, precision movement. Boom, look at that. That's the rail. Look at the rail gun, bro. [2:38:25] You've got to have super accuracy. Boom. And while you've got god power, you just have to hit them once. Boom. [2:38:32] boom look at that oh shit this guy's got timing [2:38:37] This is a dick. This is like you're watching. I'm watching people smoke crack. And I'm going, oh, give me that pipe, baby. Give me that pipe. It's so funny. But if that was VR, I would never have a life. I don't have a life. I can't do it. It's just. [2:38:52] helps balance me out. You know what it's like dude? It's like jujitsu if you never got tired. [2:38:58] Oh, yeah. Well, that's why you have the battery life on it. That thing gets tired. Imagine jiu-jitsu if you never got tired. You just do it all day. If you never got hurt, you never got tired. You would just be training constantly. Especially if you were fucking people up. Oh, my God. Always winning and tapping people up. Once you got to a certain level... [2:39:12] I mean, this is, to me, straight crack. Oh, dude, that looks fun. Come on, how fun is this game? You're swapping weapons instantaneously, and you have certain weapons set to different keys. Like, my rail gun is always this middle of the wheel button. I hit that motherfucker, I get the rail gun. And you can adjust the speed of your mouse, depending on the weapon. Do you hear the other players? Do they complain when you use a certain weapon? I don't know if they use that with this. [2:39:39] I never did. I don't... When you chat with Quake, you would have to pull the menu down and chat. If you have a bunch of people talking while you're playing, it's going to ruin your game experience. Yeah, sometimes with this... I would shut that off. I don't want anybody talking shit. I just want to kill you. They're like, good job. Yeah, good job, Unc. They call me Unc. Good job, Unc. You have to use a shotgun, pussy.

[2:39:59] I try to be mature. I'm like, you're dead, you little fuck. You're dead. You should use a shotgun, cocksucker. Yeah, yeah. They complain when I kill them. They're like, what are you, 30? You're playing a game? [2:40:09] Well, I'm actually 50. [2:40:13] Thank you, kid. I'll take 30. What is the old guy's audience? He's like 30. I'm like, well, it's great. Bro, I remember when I was in high school, I found out Madonna was 26. I was like, oh, she's old. [2:40:25] Dude, I remember getting ready for a fight at 35. I was getting ready for Trigg, and I had Gian Vellante there. Now he's older than us now. He's like, dude, how does it feel to be 35? I go, dude, fuck you. I'm still fighting. Fuck you, man. [2:40:39] now. I go, see, you caught up to me a little. Yeah, man. [2:40:43] It's weird. We're all dying. I know. It is. I mean, think about it. We don't got much time left. Slow to process. No, really. I'm 58. What are you, Johnny? 57. Damn. Oh, you guys could have worked at high school together. You're the class of both. I'm 51. Young man. I'm still only 49. You're full of shit. I'm 49. Keeping it together. Yeah. All right. I like it. I thought you would be like a Brazilian. Rodrigo Gracie used to lie about his fucking age like a chick. [2:41:07] Dude, you're my age. What does he say? Fucking 29 still. What are you doing? [2:41:13] Yoel is. [2:41:14] Oh, yeah. He's probably older. I know. Might be older. It does feel weird when you say 51. When I say 51, I'm like, oh, 50s. When you're younger, you never really picture you'll be that age. Yeah, me too. I'm almost 60. I mean, when we were growing up, though, 60 was broken down. Yeah, that's a big difference. Shout out to Ways to Well. Yeah, right? Life med for me at home. Ways to Well. Do you hang out with younger guys? Because I hang out with all young people. In the gym, you're with younger people all the time. I'm always with younger comics.

[2:41:44] Unless it's Ron White. [2:41:45] It's those worlds. And I bet you, when you hang out with Ron White, it doesn't feel like you're hanging out with an old man. No. It's like me and Longo. That guy's awesome. He's a gem. Longo's 67. He'll just say, he'll throw away something. It'll just be so funny. We'll all be dying laughing. He's a naturally funny dude and just a sweetheart of a guy. He was good in tires also. Oh, he's great. I like that show. Yeah, well, you know, he's homies with Shane. Shane's always there too. [2:42:15] we all love to do, having fun, just like a jujitsu gym, just like anything else. [2:42:20] You know, I mean, this idea that you have to one day grow up like that's not true. I'm here to tell you it's not true. You should grow up in some ways, like be a good dad, take care of your taxes, you know, that kind of stuff. What are you looking at? After that, shut up. Shut up. Have fun. Oh, that's me in a fucking nutshell. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with you playing those games. Just don't tell those kids how old you are. [2:42:41] i don't do they call me old man this guy sounds 30 i'm like you little fuck yeah but it's done no don't have a heart attack for real you have to take any shit breaks in the middle of your vr experiences no but i i i'm not above i'm not above teabagging those little bastards where they get wise i'm squatting down on him in my fucking thing in my vr back a guy after you kill

[2:43:11] actually squat physically and it does it maybe my wife's like what are you doing he deserves it crazy that's crazy sometimes different than a video control you're actually squatting that's crazy i can get my squats in have you seen those uh multi-directional treadmills yeah but i'm not doing those games on now but i'm not running my knees aren't good for that so there's a treadmill like a circle and it goes in any direct omni-directional i think they call it and you're [2:43:41] And you just move. You move like you're right. You would be in insane shape. There would be some people in better shape. Oh, you would think how good that would be for your footwork? [2:43:51] Like if you could have a VR, there's a good VR boxing game. And one of the things that I noticed when I was playing it was my feet were hurting because I was doing it on concrete, on cement. And I was wearing like Converse All-Stars and you just push it off your feet all the time. I was like, oh, my God, I'm getting a foot workout. This is crazy. Like it was gassing me out because you really see the guy and he pops you. Everything goes white. Like you got stunned. Oh, shit. And you want to get him back, right? And you're moving. You're moving around stuff. There's a bunch of them. [2:44:21] They're tiring. I've been in the force. [2:44:24] When you hold the gloves, like if you hold the hand things like this, [2:44:29] it shows the gloves like this. So when you're punching, it looks like you're punching them wrong. So it fucks your head up. Yeah. You know what I mean? So when you're twisting to punch, it's showing this, and it fucks your head up. Give it a fucking wing chung. So if you punch like this, it'll look like the knuckles are coming out, but you're doing this. Oh, yeah. Then you figure, how can't they get that? They should get that right. It should be where your hands are positioned. Exactly. So if you hold it like that, it should be the gloves are like that, and then you turn it like that. So that way it doesn't fuck with your head while you're punching that thing,

[2:44:59] weird clearly the developers yes and fix that but i think there's some real benefit in it for real because first of all it's harder to hit air than it is to hit a thing right so you get a little workout doing that the things don't weigh much but you can always put like a little a little wrist wrist weight or something or someone can make a controller that has lead in it that has a couple of pounds for each one you get good endurance doing it and you're doing a lot of footwork drills it's like you're lomachenko and he's definitely moving around good for you [2:45:29] And it's also showing you how to move away from things and counter. There's a bunch of different things that you could actually apply. It's better than real shadow boxing. Yeah, I was about to say. It's like intense, extreme shadow boxing. Yes, yes. It's like you're really visualizing because there's an actual thing in front of you. I think there's benefit to it. I think it would help you. I mean, 100%, I think there would be benefit. Yeah, and you're not getting hit. [2:45:54] So it's timing work. Not getting the CTE along. It's not going to replace sparring. You're always going to need to spar. But it'll give you a lot of neural pathways to different movements that you'll have programmed in you in a fight with zero consequences. Right. That's great. Yeah. You can't do it with jiu-jitsu, unfortunately. But you probably could with a robot one day. Right. You get a good AI robot. [2:46:20] You know, that's not going to spaz out on you and rip your fucking head off. I would never trust that. Right? Imagine if the AI got mad at you and just tapped it too many times. I'm going to show you my real strength, Dean. Dean, in this next role, I'm not going to go easy on you. All right. What? What?

[2:46:35] What do you mean? I'm watching. You know what? Put your eyes out. You got me into this. What's your fucking heel look? Only because they look human, the Cyclones. I'm watching the Battlestar Galactica. I started watching it. It's great. It's really good. It's really good. What is that on? I'm almost on the first season. It was on the SyFy network years ago. It was an unappreciated series. It's one of the greatest SyFy series of all time. The reboot of Battlestar Galactica. Check it out. I was super skeptical. [2:47:05] I was a kid. I loved it. It was a super campy. It was a great campy. And then all of a sudden Skywalker was a girl now. It's like what? Starbuck. Starbuck. Starbuck was a girl now. Katie's amazing. She's great now. That fucking series rules, dude. It's complex. It's complex. It is. Great writing. I'm on the first season. I'm almost done with it now. I got like an episode left. Way better than the original series. It's really fucking good. It's phenomenal. It's really good. And the Cylons scare the fuck out of you. And they're hot chicks. Yeah. [2:47:35] Ruin Your Life. Oh, my favorite. Oh, it's good. Yeah, everybody's favorite. It's great. It's a great fucking series. John James Elmos or whatever. James Elmos. Yeah, he was great. Is he alive? [2:47:46] Did he die? [2:47:48] I don't know. James Almos? Is he alive? There's no way he's alive, too. Edward James. Edward James Almos. He was great in that. He's great in that. The Mexican prison movie. Remember that? Yeah, what was that? Blood in, Blood out? Blood in, Blood out. You got in trouble with that. [2:48:02] They wanted to kill him because they made it out like these dudes are fucking each other in jail.

[2:48:07] Oh, they're not? Yeah. Well, even if they are. Yeah. Don't talk about it. Yeah. [2:48:13] Snitches get stitches. Yeah, man. I think people died because of that movie. No. Yeah, I think people were killed. It was something crazy. I thought I heard something about that. Yeah. Makes you not want to go to jail. Well, I just don't think they let these dudes know how they were going to portray him in jail. No. [2:48:28] Thank you. [2:48:28] And I think, you know, they weren't happy about that. Severe disrespect. [2:48:34] Is he alive, Edward James Olmos? Yes. [2:48:36] Yes. Oh, good for him. [2:48:39] He's phenomenal on that show. Phenomenal on that show. Yeah. It is a great show. Yeah, yeah. He just got a... [2:48:45] I think I heard you talking about it, and I put it in. I got it on Amazon Prime. I bought the first season. It's fucking good. There's another Amazon series. What's it called? Not The Eclipse. The Expanse. Yes, yes. That's supposed to be phenomenal. I watched a bunch of those. I got to get back into that. Sometimes it gets a little chatty. I watched a couple of them. I was like, I see this could be really good, but my wife wasn't into it, so we abandoned it. It's good. I keep hearing. I keep hearing. I hear once you get past the first few episodes, it really picks up. [2:49:12] Yeah, it's good. It has Thomas... [2:49:16] James, what's Thomas James? Oh, yeah, he played the Punisher. Yeah, he's in that... [2:49:21] at least the first season. It's good. The lead guy reminds me of Jon Snow. Really? He looks like a skinnier Jon Snow. Jon Bernthal played the Punisher, right? Yeah, there was a bunch of people who played him. How many people played the Punisher? [2:49:36] The guy from Rome, Stevenson, played him before? Yeah, that's back in the day. Yeah, way back in the day. He had at least four or five of them. They gave him fake stubble, and it was obvious. It was literally like the makeup lady didn't even try. She just smudged some fake. It's the worst-looking face stubble you've ever seen in your fucking life. See if you can find that. Dolph Lundgren, face stubble.com.

[2:49:58] From the Punisher. It's like you're looking at that guy like, just leave him unshaven. Yeah, he was cool as him. The Dolph Lundgren. Well, here you go. There's a guy from Rome, Stevenson. I know, but you can't see it in there. Like a photo from the actual... [2:50:10] the actual movie it looked like why does he have smudges all over his cheeks [2:50:14] Yeah, I like Barenthal the best. The new Spider-Man movie, he's going to be in it, The Punisher. The Punisher's supposed to be gigantic, though. He's supposed to be like that dude that plays Reaper. I thought Ray Samuelson. Adam Richman. Yeah, Adam Richman. He's supposed to be like Adam Richman. That's what The Punisher's supposed to be. He's supposed to be a giant jack dude who kills everybody. And good for Reacher for smacking that guy around. Yeah, that guy deserved it. You know, he looks like he's riding with his kids. The guy got in his face. Exactly. Made him drop his bike. Got in his face again. [2:50:44] He pushed him off his bike. Yeah. What the hell? That guy looked like a retard. Well, he said he was drunk, so the guy smelled like booze. I know shit. Smack him up. He was asking. They showed the cops version of the video when they went to his house. He's like, could you run a toxicology on that guy? Because I think he's drunk. He smelled like liquor. The guy tried to knock him off. You see that guy? What are you doing? Why are you pushing that? He's real lucky he had that camera on. You know what I mean? Oh, 100%. 100%. Because if you only got to see him beating that guy up, that would have been a real fucking problem. Because that guy denied it. [2:51:14] He had a camera going on his chest pack. [2:51:17] Luckily. Yeah. You see that guy grabbing the bike and pushing him. Yeah. Guy put hands on him first. In front of kids, man. There's so many people out there. If you're on a bike and you fall and the bike falls on your legs, you fucking idiot. Yeah. That's dangerous. You break someone's fucking leg that way, you drunk fuck. 100% warranted. When I went to go see that Project Hail Mary the other day, dude, these motherfuckers. I got the second row. And sure enough...

[2:51:44] the first row, like five teenagers do. They don't even, they have their phone and it's bright. And you see it. Like they don't give a fuck. The lady, there's a couple next to me, older. [2:51:56] Okay. [2:51:57] The lady comes out. She takes the thing out. [2:51:59] I'm like, what? I feel like saying, you should know better, lady. [2:52:04] What the fuck? And the kids, I want to – a couple times I got up and then they put it down. I'm like, I know I'm going to say something. And if I get the wrong response, am I going to smack a 15-year-old? Am I going to smack – if I get – hey, fuck you, guy. What's going to happen? Because – [2:52:22] I'm not totally normal. I mean, you know what I mean? I just don't want to... Because this writing is wrong... [2:52:29] A whole generation has not been checked. They're going to get smacked because they're malady. A thousand percent. And... [2:52:34] I just see UFC fighters next 15 year old. I just see that happening. [2:52:39] But anyway... [2:52:40] I got out of there without nothing. But it's just so annoying. These kids are so addicted to their phones. They can't put them down for five seconds. It's just how common courtesy they are. Yeah, it's crazy. In movie theater, they can't stop texting people. Yeah. They're not enjoying anything. Everything they're doing, they're getting distracted. Yeah. Which is crazy. I feel like talking to their parents. That's not going to help. You know? No, you've got to smack them. Someone's got to smack them. Yeah. Man, I'll tell you. That happened. Our generation, if you acted a fool, you got slapped. [2:53:10] Someone's going to get up. If you were loud in a movie theater, people would get up and say, hey, shut the fuck up. I've seen that happen many times in movie theaters. People almost get in fights. They don't do that no more.

[2:53:23] There's no repercussions, I think, a whole... [2:53:26] What did Mike Tyson say? What did he say? He said something like, a lot of people are getting used to talking shit without getting smacked. Until you get punched in the face. Something like that, yeah. And it's just true. People just don't worry about anything. [2:53:37] But there's also so many streamers that are doing these things online where they're provoking people on purpose that it's almost like normalizing fucking. I hate that. I like when they get smacked. Yeah, they think it's like they're creating content by harassing these people, fucking with old people, like just walking up to people in the store and doing shit to them. I don't understand it. Tiki elbowed that kid in the face. Oh, yeah. Fuck that kid. He's starting shit with everybody. I was happy to see Tiki fucking cracking. Yeah, dude. I mean, I looked at that. I'm like, that's warranted. [2:54:07] You're in my face. Tell me you're gonna fuck me up. I could do this. He said he's gonna fuck him up and then he got close to him like he's gonna bump into him. Yeah, well, I mean, you know what? They don't even give a shit cuz they get clicks. I don't think they give a shit. That's because they're getting hit by like regular people. Except for the Tiki case, but they're getting hit by regular people. Like, I'm waiting for the opportunity to lay these for five on somebody's chin.

[2:54:35] They'll press charges. They'll sue you. I know. Also, you know, if you knock somebody out and they fall and hit their head and die, that's a fucking problem. Yeah, that'd be a problem. And that's a real possibility. Body shots. Strangle them and lay them down to you. That liver shot. Right, but you know you're not going to throw a body shot. Oh, there you go. This is crazy. This dummy's got in a fight with the former UFC heavyweight champion, the current bare-knuckle boxing champion in the world. [2:54:56] You dumbasses. That was hilarious when I saw this. He's just teeing off on dudes. Imagine you get in Andre Arlovsky's face. How the fuck do you not know who he is, first of all? Again, my point is exactly. How do you not know who Andre Arlovsky is? And then they got their bodyguards next to them to try to... Shout out to that dude. Wins bare knuckle boxing. Oh, Arlovsky's a stud. Yeah. I mean, he's still getting after it. And he still seems to enjoy it. Like, almost 30 years in the game. And he's the guy that you kind of wrote off his chin a while ago. [2:55:26] That's where a chin makes a comeback. Oh, incredible comeback. Freddie Roach said he thought he could really be a contender if he just had a proper chin. [2:55:34] He said his boxing skills were there. [2:55:36] Well, I mean, there were so many times where he got clipped. Like, the Fedor one was the wildest. He was winning that fight. Yeah, he was. Dude, he was good. Yeah, he was good. He was in the middle of a jumping knee. Oh, just a big mistake. Laces out moment right there. Fedor, that motherfucker just found ways to win. [2:55:54] He just found ways to win, man. Sure did. Remember when Randleman... [2:55:58] Was it Random and Random? Yeah, he came back. He still beat him. He still beat him. He still beat him on his neck. Yeah. Then he Kimored him. Yeah. It ain't easy to Kimore a gorilla. You know what I'm saying? Random and Random was so explosive. I know. He was so fast. He was so fast.

[2:56:10] That guy was just nothing but fast twitch muscle fiber. Pre-Ussada 100. Right? He had the worst staff I've ever seen in my life. [2:56:19] He had holes in his armpit He lifted his armpit up and you could see The skin was gone See if you can find it, Jamie It's the craziest thing Because staph, if you don't get that shit Treated right away and you let it get systemic I mean it probably led to his Early demise, it probably was something that Led to him dying early, rest in peace Look at that, that's his armpit That's his armpit, dude Keep his fucking wallet in there You know how crazy that is? [2:56:49] that does to your body god damn because it's not even when that heals up like it's gonna take a long time before your body gets back to normal man staff scary man staff's real scary [2:56:59] Oh, come on, man. We're going to Italian later. I want to say Pete... Pete Spratt fought a fight when he... Didn't he fight one? He got bit by a brown recluse. Like, his leg had a fucking hole in it. Well, those are scary. Those fuckers. Damn. They necrotize you. Like, their venom burns a hole through your muscle tissue. Oh, it's horrible. You ever see brown recluse spider bites? No. It's like, first it just swells up, and you get like a big zit on it, and then it eventually [2:57:29] Underneath the venom. Fucking spiders. Yeah, you got to get that treated right away. And even then, it's like really dangerous. People die from it. [2:57:37] Brown reclutes are scary fucking spiders. [2:57:39] See if you can find brown recluse spider injury.

[2:57:44] Nasty, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Creepy little fucking bugs out there. I'm going to get the eggplant rollatini later. We'll see what else we have. [2:57:54] I just want to show you one more gross thing. Something very bland. [2:57:59] Like... [2:58:00] damn it look at that shit man is that a water balloon burns a hole in you what are those things live at I don't want to get bit by that Texas they're all over the place we're so lucky they're little [2:58:17] Oh, you got that shit out here, those things? Imagine if that was as big as a bear. Take over the planet. Imagine a praying man, it's as big as a bear. Dude, in Rhode Island, I guess we just got some assholes out there, but we don't got to worry about fucking things getting flesh off and shit. Just a few serial killers. Yeah, a few serial killers. [2:58:39] Guys wearing life beaters, that's it. I was just watching this video where they said the most popular job for serial killer is those long-range truckers. [2:58:47] Makes sense. Yeah. I mean, you're on the road. You've got a lot of access to a lot of different people. Yeah, and also you think you just kind of... Keep it moving. Yeah, keep it moving. Before they even know what happened, you're gone. Yeah. Yeah. [2:58:59] Trap. [2:59:00] There's a bunch of them that are linked potentially to long-range truckers that they've never solved before. [2:59:05] Really? Yeah. They don't catch a lot of those guys. [2:59:09] That's what's fucked up. You want to think that life's like a movie? Where they catch them all, they don't catch them all out. But random killers are some of the hardest to catch because they just show up, kill somebody, leave.

[2:59:19] And there's no rhyme or reason to it. They just wanted to kill somebody. So there's no motive... [2:59:24] It's hard to tell. And if they've done it and not gotten caught for a few years, if they're clever. Like a lot of these guys, like the Zodiac Killer, he was brilliant. He wrote things in code. I don't even know if they ever cracked all of it. They still don't know who the fuck it was. They did that movie. Yeah, I saw that movie, right? Yeah. They kind of made it like it was the Janita guy. I don't think they know. [2:59:46] I mean, unless there's some new data. [2:59:48] Unless there's some new information. I think it's an unsolved mystery. But he was obviously brilliant. [2:59:53] So you've got a really smart guy who's just randomly killing people. [2:59:57] And he's also taunting you with letters, leaving letters behind. It's got to be a little more difficult now with all the cameras and shit. What has Sean Dunn ever been up to? Does he have an alibi? Does he have an alibi for Geekho Beach? Was he in New York at that time? [3:00:13] The dark lord trying out new techniques. That's fucking great. [3:00:20] All right, boys. Should we wrap this up? Man. Good times. One more thing we should probably talk about. [3:00:25] Uh... [3:00:26] The White House card. Ooh. Yeah. You going... [3:00:30] Yeah, unless things get crazy between now and then. But the idea of them fighting outside... [3:00:37] in Washington, D.C. in the middle of summer sounds crazy to me. You ask someone to dehydrate themselves, to cut weight, you know, I mean, think about Gaethje. [3:00:48] Gaethje's going to cut. He's got to cut to get to 55. Ilya probably doesn't have to cut too much. But you're fighting for the world title.

[3:00:55] And you're fighting outside. [3:00:57] That's the noon. The noontime is... [3:01:00] not been corrected, which makes more sense. We get good weather. So the pay-per-view or the main card starts at 8 p.m. Eastern. I was in Abu Dhabi when they did that. That's a little better. But also, it can rain. It could easily rain. There's going to be bugs. [3:01:16] Imagine getting lit up by mosquitoes while you're mounting a guy and you hear him and you hear him. Will they put a tent up over the... [3:01:25] I don't know what they're going to do. Back in the day, they have King of Cage. It was raining out and shit. It was called Wet and Wild or something. It's a mess. Fights outside are a mess. It's a mess. It's a terrible idea. I hate it. There was a couple of inches of rain in that cage. That was a crazy show. If you're fighting in an elite world championship level, you should be fighting in a controlled environment. Period. Right. It's already a problem enough to fight, to deal with the air. A lot of colors, the extra factors. Yeah, all these different variables. You might not get the best fighter. Right. [3:01:55] And it also might severely impair someone who's gone through a big weight cut. If it's really hot out... [3:02:02] I don't know what it's going to be like, but we looked it up. Wasn't it last year at that same date? I think that was 2024, but still it's like. [3:02:10] It was what? It was like 100 degrees. 100 degrees. Dude, I live in Baltimore. It'll be hot and humid. Everybody's dealing with the same thing, though, so it's not like somebody's got something different to deal with. Right, but it's not fair. Because people deal with them differently. If you're having world championship...

[3:02:28] fights where you're going to decide who's the best in the world. It should be in a controlled environment. [3:02:34] you know the white house baby it's still the fuck we do we were not legal in new york when i was fighting [3:02:41] And now we're at the fucking White House. It's crazy. That is wild. I support all crazy things. [3:02:48] I'm going too, so... Yeah, well, you have to. Yeah, I just... You have to. It's your job. I just got the call for clearance. I'm going, so... Nice. I'll be watching on Paramount+. [3:02:59] Yeah. [3:03:00] Jimmy wanted to go. He's like, can we go? I'm like, I don't know. [3:03:04] How many people are going to be outside in the audience? That's the question. I don't know. How many people are going to be? Is it going to be a round thing? Well, apparently, I think on... [3:03:14] On Saturday's broadcast, they're going to announce how it's going to look. [3:03:18] So that's part of the allure for watching Saturday shows. They're going to announce how it's supposed to look. It's exciting, though. You've got to say, fuck it. It's crazy. It's definitely crazy. I mean, it's a good card Saturday. Only this president would do it. Yeah. Yeah. [3:03:35] Oh, this card you're saying? Yeah, Saturday is a pretty good card. Saturday is a very good card. [3:03:39] I'm telling you, the Merzikhanov and Paulo Costa one is the one I got my eye on. [3:03:43] That could be very interesting. Very interesting. Because Paulo's a big fucking middleweight. It might do him good later in his career to go up to light heavyweight. I think so. And Merzikonov's not a big white heavyweight. No, he's not. He's only 5'10". Yeah, he's short. Yeah. Oh, he's got weight to cut, too. I mean, he's not exactly... He ain't Paulo. No, no, no. Not even close. He definitely carries much more body fat on him. Who is he for?

[3:04:07] that's close has he fought anybody? Rockage stopped Rockage in the first round of his last fight that's it but he hasn't [3:04:14] It's been hard for him to get fights. [3:04:17] They made Dana a little taller there. Yeah, but they put lightning in this. The only thing he said would stop the fight. Yeah, well, that could be it. [3:04:25] Yeah, that would suck. Imagine if someone died from getting hit by lightning. They raised their hand up at the end of the fight and they get hit by lightning. That'd be a bad look for the UFC, I think. I just don't. Bruce Buffa gets it. I like the idea on paper. [3:04:40] But the fact that I'm going to be there. Sequin jacket attracted to the lightning. Jesus Christ, this is going to be... [3:04:46] Thank you. [3:04:46] crazy. People are probably going to protest it. It's going to be nuts. Yeah. [3:04:50] There's going to be a lot of protesters out there. For sure. All this stuff in the world going on. Might be the wrong place to come and protest. [3:04:57] It's going to be a lot of... [3:04:59] pro-Trump people in that audience, it could be a mess. Well, that's what they like. You know, a lot of people that are running this world like when there's fights and chaos. Oh, that's a fact. They like rioting, and they'll connect it to Trump, and they'll spin it and connect it to whatever the fuck they want to. I just want to see some good fights. Cyril Ghosn and Pereira is a very good fight. Yeah, it's an interesting fight. Very good fight. Very interesting fight. Just because of Ghosn poking everybody in their eyes, I'd be happy to see him lose, but [3:05:27] I mean, the size is real, and he's got legit skills. Legit skills. That tie to Evasa fight, remember those combinations he was hitting tie with? Acting skills also, KO on Netflix. Yeah.

[3:05:39] Setting up the South Lawn will begin one month out compared to a few days out in Normal Arena. Dana and Donald will have 200 tickets each to assign to who they want. 84 from each will be chosen for a VIP event inside the White House prior to the fights. Most of the rest of the tickets will go to military personnel. The event will have custom fight kits for all fighters on the card. [3:05:59] Wow. [3:06:00] And then more to come Saturday. More to come Saturday. So there'll probably be an announcement at the UFC that we'll have to talk about. Should be interesting. And nobody's giving Justin a chance here. Justin's a fucking animal, dude. I mean, he's... I love... And look how technical he fought when he had to fight Fazeev. Fazeev. Yeah. And he's a very technical fighter. Yeah, if you go by the way he fought... [3:06:20] patty he kind of just walked patty down it's just like was just i'm gonna create chaos but you also got to kind of give patty a little break where he did get poked in the fucking eye and true more did he get more ones i mean i i think too gagey fought with staff pretty much everybody thought so yeah i mean that thing on his neck yeah he said it wasn't and he's seen in grown hair i mean he can say you know he's not going to tell everybody he's got staff before the fight could say it after the [3:06:46] He's a fucking animal, dude. He... [3:06:48] And the only reason I think that is he don't really get tired. He's mentally so tough he just pushed through the tired, but you could see he was fatigued at the end of that fight. Well, he's a complicated riddle on the feet, too. He's a good stand-up fighter, man. I mean, when he knocked out Dustin with that head kick, he's fucking good. I'm a Gagey fan. He can crack. Love to see him do it.

[3:07:12] In the early days, man, he was one of the wildest guys to watch ever. That Michael Johnson fight was mad. Just madness. It was a pretty crazy one. He just goes, let's jump off the cliff together. [3:07:24] They did a Thelma and Louise there. I mean, that's what he does in those fights, man. He was one of the best early in his career at throwing leg kicks from really close distances. So close. Yeah. He got away from that. I wonder why he got away from that. Could be injured shins. [3:07:42] with his hands, just wanted to [3:07:43] I thought that was one of his greatest weapons, being able so close to just dig in. A weird flexibility of the hips to be able to do that and generate power from in close. [3:07:56] The right hand or the kick? The kick. The kick. Yeah, the kick he does so close. He'll do it in a collar tie and kick you. [3:08:02] Nuts. And with power. Yeah. Definitely has a chance. I mean... [3:08:07] You know, I mean, people will just kind of not even give it a shot. I'm like, well, that's how good. Yeah, no, I get it. He gets hit a lot and they're just putting the equation together. [3:08:19] He's got that one punch. It's for look at the guys he's done it to, you know, Volkanovsky. [3:08:27] Charles. Max. In a row. In a row. Ryan Hall. Three KOs in a row against world champions. [3:08:35] That's crazy. Guys who are not used to getting people either. [3:08:41] Think about how durable Charles is.

[3:08:43] For him, just one shot like that, take him out, that's crazy. That's crazy. For Max. I mean, Max did well in the first round. He did. But until he got hit. Until he got hit. He had never been knocked out. He's a different dude. [3:08:55] You know, there's levels that this game achieves as people get better and better and better and watch everyone around them. And Ilya is like, this is the next highest level, right? You know? [3:09:04] Now everybody's shooting for that. Boys, a lot of fun. Good times. I love when we do this. It's so fun. This is one of my favorite podcasts. Oh, man. I love coming out here. It's such a good time. And also, I need to find out what's going on in the nerd world. If you want to find out what's going on in the nerd world. [3:09:22] Matt Serra channel on YouTube. I talk all about that geek shit. [3:09:26] That's it. Sometimes I play VR and I do movie reactions where it's like the mystery science theater where I talk to the screen. Talk shit. Yeah. I talk to her in a movie a lot. [3:09:36] Dean what do you got going on? My movie Flowers short film coming out and I got a new show on Paramount Plus called Deep Waters with Jorge Miles Vidal, Chris Weidman and Dustin Poirier that starts next Monday I like the name Deep Waters coming out [3:09:53] And we're still doing ground control. Just opened a school in Sykesville. Dustin Poirier is actually coming out to there in the spot next door to a stratosphere on May 16th. Shogun still going. So groundcontrolusa.com, shogunfights.com, and at Be More MMA. Look at you, bro. Promoter, coach, gym owner. Hustling, hustling. Hustling. All right. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Lots of fun. Always fun. Bye, everybody.

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