#2443 - Filippo Biondi

[00:00] Joe Rogan experience. Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day. All right, sir. Fine. Thank you. Thank you very much for being here. I'm really excited to talk to you. Obviously, there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work. [00:22] We should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about. [00:27] You are the man that was at the head of this research that is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid. And incredibly controversial, very fascinating, and if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history. Yes. Thank you for this invitation. And yes, the group is composed by Corrado Malanga, which is the head of the group. [00:57] Dean Professor of Chemistry at the University of Pisa. Can you explain your background, please, so people don't understand? Yes, my background is this. I am a telecommunication engineering. I graduate at the university. What is that word again? Say it again. Telecommunication engineering. Telecommunications engineering. Okay. Your English is excellent, but the Italian accent, although fabulous, sometimes it's difficult to translate. Thank you very much, Joe. I'm sorry, yes, that I'm not mother tongue of English. [01:27] Still, much better than my Italian. Okay, thank you.

[01:32] Yes, I graduated myself at the University of Lecce, south of Italy. Very nice university. And it has the name of a famous mathematics university. [01:49] Italian, which is Egno de Giorgi. [01:52] Ennio De Giorgi [01:56] was living in the era than John Nash. [02:00] was leaving also and they were they were one against to the other and they were they was both studying the 19 hilbert problem and john ennio de georgie solved this problem one week before john nash ah interesting john nash who from the famous movie a brilliant mind [02:30] La Sapienza in Rome, and now I'm here. And how did you get involved in this? [02:37] this discovery yes I work at the on radar and the synthetic battery radar for a lot of time and radar the Italian military right some work yes yes which you can't really talk about no right a and [02:57] I was involved in some research where, together with the Italian Research Council of Bari,

[03:09] always south of Italy. We was testing some special [03:15] processing that were able to perform something special. [03:21] So this top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out, try this technology out. And this is satellite-based technology, correct? And it's a radio tomography? Yes, it is something, in my personal opinion, very simple. The radar is installed on board on the satellite. [03:51] at 7 km/s in velocity. So while it flies along the orbit, it is able to catch snapshots of the Earth. [04:06] The snapshots have to be focused, and this focusing procedure, let's say in the azimuth direction, is done by sound, by the processing of sound, because it is involved at the so-called Doppler frequency. [04:23] you know Joe when you hear noises that are approaching to you this noise will rise the frequency because it [04:33] the target as a velocity [04:35] a positive velocity with respect to u. And so the frequency is rising up. And this procedure allows us to estimate or to grab, let's say, the vibration information that is always present at the surface of the Earth in terms of evanescent waves that are present on the surface of the Earth.

[05:05] of this the information that is located underground. [05:12] That's all. [05:12] And was it a specific... [05:16] idea specifically to look under the pyramids or was it something that was discovered accidentally? Okay, yes. Once we discovered this method, [05:30] It was a coincidence that I knew Corrado Malanga. And at that time, I am... [05:38] we are in 2018, he was studying the pyramids. And so we were talking about something that if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids because he needed some information to conclude the research that he was doing. And so I proposed him to use my technique. And we started to work together. [06:08] focused in that time on the pyramids. [06:10] And when was this – when was the first scans? [06:16] Yes, in 2019. In 2019. And when you got the data back... [06:22] Did you immediately get the data that you're showing today where you see the columns with the coils around it? Okay. [06:30] Let's say that this research can be divided by two. The first one, 1.0, we were concentrating research on the Khnum-Khufu pyramid, the Cheops pyramid, to watch inside the pyramid.

[06:52] pyramids, because that pyramid, only one pyramid, because we were [06:57] doing that kind of research. Then once we discovered things in [07:04] In 2020, we published a peer review paper, and we gave public the results that we found inside the Khnum Khufu pyramid. We decided to expand our research in all the Jiza plateau. Can I stop you there? So we know quite a bit about the Khufu pyramid and what the chambers are inside of it. Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself? [07:34] and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist? Absolutely, yes. [07:38] Because we have detected this multi-layer structure that is inside the Knunk-Kufu pyramid, the so-called Z. We have discovered it previously. [07:47] very well from the space and it is located inside the pyramid and also we discovered it in the new no we discovered it we gave an image also of the other known structures like the Grand Gallery the Grand Gallery and then also the Queen's Chamber and the King's Chamber also so [08:16] And accurate in terms of size and dimension? And also position and location. Okay. So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid? Yes. We decided to focus below the pyramid because our intention was to expand our research. And then also, thanks to the third component of the research group, which is Armando May,

[08:46] us to expand our research and scan [08:50] all the GISA plateau. [08:51] And so what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid? Yes. This episode is brought to you by Traeger Grills. If you enjoy food, and I mean really good food, Traeger is a game changer. This isn't just a grill. [09:21] smoke, or bake. That's it. Just wood and fire and flavor. And what's truly wild is how easy it is. Just set the temp, load the grill, and let Traeger handle the rest. Grill steak, smoke ribs, even baked pizza, all on one grill. If you're into fire, flavor, and doing things right, check out Traeger Grills. [09:44] This summer, the Cup is taking over the U.S., and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. Follow every group stage upset, every knockout round thriller, every stoppage time moment that flips the whole tournament. Sweat all the big matches you love in real time with a seamless experience built for the world's biggest stage. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app. Yes, that means you in Illinois. [10:14] up with code rogan spend five bucks to get 200 in rewards within 21 days that's code rogan in partnership with draft kings the crown is yours if you or someone you know has a gambling problem crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER 21 and over illinois only eligibility restrictions apply bonus bets expire seven days after issuance for additional terms and responsible gaming resources cdkng.co slash audio limited time offer

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[12:17] that do appear to be immense columns. [12:21] I believe the diameter is 20 meters. 20 meters. So they're huge, enormous columns. Yes. What went through your mind? Skepticism. Skepticism. [12:32] skepticism. I told also Corrado was with me because we had those results in our desk without disclosure or anything for six months because my opinion was that was not real. [12:56] I did, I was thinking that [13:02] it was noise or some artifacts due by our processing procedures. Did it give you pause at all that they were so uniform, that these columns were in very specific places and that they lined up, there was a uniform gap in between them? Yes. And why we disclosure this? Because we started to use also other satellites. [13:32] using only the Italian satellite system that is Cosmos SkyMed and Cosmos SkyMed second generation. It's very good, very precise. But we wanted to [13:44] shifter [13:46] our research using also other satellites. Because, Joe, in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that we were searching. We were searching confirmation. So once we had the same results, while we were using American satellites called Capella Space

[14:16] always the same results we decided to disclosure. How many different scans have been done on this area? [14:23] door to the [14:24] More than 200. More than 200. And all with uniform results? Yes. [14:29] Wow. Yes. [14:31] There's a lot of resistance to this issue. [14:35] And it's from the usual characters. And it's from people that I would... [14:40] characterized as gatekeepers of archaeological information. And unfortunately, they are not [14:48] Yeah. [15:06] And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things. Like, didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have? Yes, we have a particle collider where I was born in L'Aquila, which is located in the center of Italy, at the center of Italy. [15:36] has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 meters, for being precise to 993 meters. And so there is a tunnel, a very long tunnel, about 11-12 kilometers, and in the core of this mountain there is a particle collider. There is a laboratory, let's say like that. And this technology...

[16:05] got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's deep in this mountain. Yes. Okay. At 1.4 kilometers with respect to the top. Wow. Yeah. Okay. So we know it's accurate. We know it works. What do you think it is? I mean, other than what I said, that it's gatekeepers of archaeological information. It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves. [16:35] What do you think it is that is causing this resistance? [16:38] Personally, [16:40] It's true, we found a lot of resistance, yes, it's true, but personally I don't know why. [16:44] I can say something regarding to my personal opinion. Joe, it is something that maybe is too big to say. [16:57] too huge, too... [17:00] to be disclosured like that today. I don't know why. It's confusing to people because it's essentially... [17:07] paradigm shattering because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The Great Pyramid is 2,300,000 stones. The alignment is to perfect true north, south, east, and west. It's a really incredible accomplishment, whoever built it and when they built it. It's just undeniably fascinating that this was done at the very least 2,500 BC, probably even older than that.

[17:37] No. But... [17:38] That alone is spectacular. [17:41] But then when you add the findings that you have, [17:43] It just makes everybody go, [17:46] We don't know anything. [17:47] We really don't. [17:48] We know that these things exist, but their purpose exists. [17:52] has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb. But that doesn't make any sense because there's no hieroglyphs inside of it. It doesn't seem like a tomb. It doesn't look like a tomb. And I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work. [18:07] Yes. Which... [18:08] He's an engineer, and he said it appears that this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing and that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power. [18:17] Yes, in this context, I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dunn and... [18:25] in in uh... [18:27] I'm... [18:28] I like a lot his theory and it makes sense. And so this discovery matches a lot with his and also to other scientists that make recast decisions. [18:44] the effective purpose of the pyramid not to [18:49] To be tombs Today we are sure [18:52] We are sure of one thing. [18:54] The pyramids are not tombs. They're not tombs. And what is truly spectacular is that if this data is accurate... [19:02] Those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg.

[19:08] That's just the top. Yes. And underneath it, you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored, but you have data that shows that let's look at the images. Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about. Because once you see it, your mind just goes, okay, what are we even talking about? Like, what was this civilization? [19:32] When did it exist? And what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling, but if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work? We're looking at something that is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity. [20:02] And at the moment, I suppose that our measurements are the only data that we have. [20:10] because there aren't other data. So what we are observing? We are observing principally [20:20] vertical structure. This vertical structure has a pattern, a regular pattern. [20:25] And this regular pattern is constituted by a so-called spiral nature. [20:33] I found this. Okay, so what are we looking at here? These are... Not this is the right one. Yes. Yes.

[20:39] Yeah. [20:41] Yes, that is the Kafre pyramid. And you see, Joe, at the top of the tomography, the tomography is on the X, so the horizontal dimension, we have the space. [20:53] Okay, space adjusts the range. And on the vertical, we have the depth. [21:00] On the top, we have the pyramid, you see. You see the pyramid on the top. And while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down and look, you have the spiral nature of the structures. [21:20] Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen. So let me see some other images. [21:26] because this is just one right i know that's what this is from his presentation and i didn't know where to get the best okay back up one [21:37] Go, go. Okay. Again. [21:41] We have a lot of images here that is recasting all the research that we have done together. [21:50] So the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D replicate. Pull up some more of those. Yeah, I wasn't going to get them off the web. Okay. Some of the images online are recreations of what is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath, correct? Correct.

[22:09] We have... [22:12] performed measurements and they are sound measurements that are that has been picked up from the surface of the earth by satellites so they are very precise and they are coherent a coherent it means that contains a lot of information so it is characterized to have high entropy and so when we perform the so-called tomographic inversion we can see what there is underneath it [22:40] Thank you. [22:42] Okay, so this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like. Yes. [22:49] and [22:50] How are you getting that from the image that's below that? [22:53] Okay. So the image is just one aspect of the data, correct? Yes. Okay. [22:58] The image? This. Yes. This multicolored image. Okay. Here we are observing inside the Kafri Pyramid. And inside the Kafri Pyramid, we are observing those structures there. [23:13] Those are inside the Decafra pyramid. [23:16] Thank you. [23:18] And the image above, that is an artist recreation of what you think it looks like. Yes. Now, how did you make that determination that that's what it looks like? [23:28] Okay. [23:31] The 3D model has been retrieved, not observing just only one result, but observing a lot of results. So putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retrieve, so to facilitate people to read our measurements.

[23:55] Okay, so... [23:56] Observing the results, we were able to determine the spirals and the structures that are located, starting from the base of the Kafir pyramid going down. I've seen other images of the scans that are more convincing than the one that's below, so let's see if we can find some of those. [24:16] What else do you have here? [24:19] Yes, these are all images that are related to the first. So this is just an article that's in the news. [24:27] I mean, I even went here. I don't... [24:32] What is, like, where's a good place to get the best versions of these images? Like that right there. Okay. Okay, what is this? Okay. Here we are watching a wide area of our tomographies. Look, and we see the structures that are going down. Yes. This is much clearer. Yes. Okay. And below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, but they are really huge. [25:02] having a width and a length and a height of 80 meters. So 80 meter structures that are below all of this. Yes. [25:15] So almost the size of a football field below all this that is some sort of a chamber. Yeah. And see if you can find some other images, Jamie.

[25:26] So – [25:27] The coils. [25:29] How did you determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery, whether they come in this uniform pattern? [25:45] the coils. Okay let's see if we can find those slides. [25:49] Do you know which slide maybe? If you go down, please. Yeah. Wait a minute. [25:55] Okay, here. [25:58] Okay, here we can observe a regular pattern [26:01] So not coils. And we go... [26:07] We go down, please. Okay. Regular pattern and the coils are beginning to be seen there on the third image. [26:16] Here, regular pattern, go down, please. And here, this is, in my personal opinion, the fourth image from the left to the right, the fifth image, one, two, three, four, the fourth image, I'm sorry, where you have a core pattern. [26:35] at the [26:36] at the center of the coil, at the center of the structure, and then we have... [26:48] is something that spirals down. [26:52] So has anybody speculated about what this could possibly be, like what these coils are? Yes. I spoke with two independent – let's say with some independent researchers, and especially with Christopher Dunn.

[27:11] and [27:14] And also, I spoke also with Geoffrey, that is considering also the... [27:23] GISA power plant like a chemical reactor or something like that. So we have on one side... [27:30] scientists that say, okay, it can be something related to electricity. [27:38] or we have something related to chemicals or other things. In my personal opinion, [27:46] me, I can see anything, I can say anything because I just measured what there is there. So, [27:54] It is not my, how you say, my job to do this. My job is, okay, here we have the measurements, and now we have to see what there is inside. In my personal opinion, this is the right time. [28:11] to say, "Okay, let's go." [28:13] So let's go there and see what there is. Let's start digging. Yes. Yeah. Pull up some more images, please, Jeremy. [28:20] Yes, this is very important. If you want, I can tell you about this. Okay, because it is a very important research project that I am working now, and it is something that if... [28:39] could be possible, we can go there and without digging anything, we can go

[28:44] below. [28:45] Why? Because belonging between the Sphinx and the Khafre pyramid, there are some shafts. [28:55] And there there are the photos of the shafts where we can go [28:59] in situ and we can physically [29:03] go there and see and watch those shafts. Currently the shafts are [29:11] blocked by debris. [29:13] And there is also rubbish inside. [29:16] So... [29:17] I performed a lot of scans at those shafts and you see Joe, [29:24] the shaft goes down, down, down, down, and they reach [29:30] Chambers. [29:31] The time. [29:32] And that is the Doppler tomography readings. Yes. So these shafts go down. How far do they go down? Yes, they go down approximately 600 meters. 600 meters. Wow. Wow. [29:45] Yes. So 600 meters down, and then they reach a chamber. Yes. What is the conventional explanation for these shafts? Is there one? [29:54] Like what is what do current archaeologists, what is academia? What do they think these things are? Leave that right there for a second. Yes, this is the complete 3D model that me and Corrado did. And so to observe all the structures that we have found, that we found,

[30:16] evaluating. [30:18] the tomographies that we have done on the Giza Plateau. So it's not just under the Great Pyramid, it's under all three pyramids. And also the Sphinx. And also the Sphinx. Yes. And they all seem to go, do they go down to a uniform depth? [30:34] We found at the moment the same depth, yes. And they all have chambers at the bottom. Yes, absolutely. Yes. And that's the, in my personal opinion, the next thing that we are dealing at the end of the structures. [30:53] of these tubes that are going down, there are [30:57] huge chambers. [31:00] How huge? [31:02] As I told you before, 80 meters [31:05] Times 80 meters and times 80 meters of height. And that's uniform underneath all the pyramids? Yes. The same dimensions? Yes. Wow. Wow. [31:13] When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, [31:19] It's stunning. [31:20] Because it just makes you think, what is this? [31:26] I mean, I can understand the skepticism and I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have. [31:33] Because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything. [31:39] This makes... [31:41] Everything we know about that area thrown into question. [31:46] Because if this is true...

[31:48] Like I said, this rewrites history. [31:50] Because you're dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrably more advanced than us. [31:59] Yes, because they were able to [32:03] to build very precise things, but not at the surface of the earth. [32:10] below. [32:11] Well, they've even built a lot of precise things that confuse us. Like one of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this. It's the recreation of the vase, of one of the many vases that they have that is – [32:24] Accurate in its – the way it was made. [32:29] Down to, God, what was the number? A thousandth of a human hair or something crazy like that? Like much less than a human hair. [32:38] In the diameter, in the uniformity of it, in the fact that it was carved out of this incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal alloys. They supposedly had copper tools. No one understands it. No one knows how they did it. And it has handles on it, so it couldn't have even been turned on a lathe. [32:58] Yes, and also if we go inside the pyramids, inside and also outside the pyramids, we can observe that the measurements are very precise. The chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don't have inscriptions. And the dimensions are all related to the constants, to the major constants of the universe. Right, they're all aligned to the constellations.

[33:28] a lot of like very strange calculations that they were able to make, like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox passes right through. It's a fascinating place. [33:40] When you... [33:42] You started acquiring this data and you started accumulating it and then started going over it with experts. [33:51] What did that feel like to you when you're realizing, oh, this is real? [33:55] Yes. It was something that was very nice for me because... [34:08] The thing was... [34:10] I [34:12] and [34:13] What's saying? Call this to Corrado, Corrado. [34:16] Shall we disclose you this or not? [34:18] I think for now not, but then the results were always the same. [34:25] we decided to disclose this. How long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it? One year. One year. So for that one year, how conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like I have the biggest secret on earth. Yes. Yes. [34:38] How weird was that? [34:42] Only two parts of you. That's crazy. That's crazy. [34:48] Two people having one of the biggest secrets on earth. [34:52] that's backed by data. I mean, it's not even like, you know, someone told you something.

[34:58] Like you have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there's these – [35:06] paradigm shifting structures. [35:08] Yeah. [35:09] And I tell you, Joe, I would like to go there and see what there is. [35:17] In person. Yes. Because it's now time, I think. Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area or are they fascinated by it? [35:28] I tell you, Joe, I didn't find a lot of resistance. [35:33] I found a lot of resistance in the internet, yes. Of course. A lot of debunking, a lot of people that know it's not true, it's not true. [35:42] a lot of people that were continuing to say no, radar can penetrate the earth for one kilometer. And they didn't know or [35:53] they [35:54] They purposely not saying this, that we are not penetrating anything because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the earth. And with that information, we are retrieving tomographies. It's something new that I invented, but it works because we have benchmarks that demonstrates the effectiveness of the method. [36:17] And this is 100%. And there's also been some criticism that the patents have expired, but that's because you have new patents on better stuff. Yes. Now, Joe, I am under NDA. So we just might think I can say something about the second patent because just yesterday we filed the patent in USA. Nice. Yes. Wow. Have any academics reached out to you in support that are interested in this?

[36:47] and would like to explore this further? Yes. Yes. [36:51] I tell you this. There are... [36:54] companies related to mining and crude oil extraction and then also water. Joe, today [37:05] We are leaving. [37:06] particular time because water is very important. [37:10] We are in a so-called water emergency in all the world. So for me, the first thing that we have to do is to scan [37:21] the earth and to fetch, to find, to try and find other, let's say, opportunity to extract not salty water. [37:31] because it's very important. [37:32] This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist and trust me, I know. [37:59] I buy one, the Farmer's Dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick. It smells good to them. It smells good to me. It's human-grade food. The Farmer's Dog makes fresh food for dogs, and my dogs love it. Their recipes are made with real meat and fresh vegetables that are gently cooked to retain vital nutrients. They also portion out the meals to your dog's nutritional needs, which helps avoid overfeeding and makes weight management easier and isn't getting more time.

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[40:00] exploration of whatever is under there. Yeah. [40:03] And so we are receiving a lot of calls from companies that want to work with me. And so let's see what we can do. And so this is all companies that have reached out after you released the results underneath the pyramids? Most of them are calling me recently. [40:25] Right. So they've heard about it recently. Yes. Well, that's capitalism, right? They say, oh, we can make money off of this. Yeah. That's good. That gets people interested. It gets people involved in this. [40:55] Operate also philanthropically for the Gisa Plateau and other ancient megalithics that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything. Really? What is next? [41:10] Maybe we can see Pumapunku or other sites. Yeah, yeah. Gobekli Tepe, perhaps? Gobekli Tepe, yes. [41:25] that Ben Van Kirkwick has been talking about and his Uncharted X channel, where there is a huge atrium with a 40-meter wall.

[41:35] metallic object that's the shape of a tic-tac in there? Yes, they asked me to do it and we will do it. Yeah, you have to do that. [41:43] I tell you, Joe, the processing... [41:46] is very nice but requests a lot of calculations so it is time consuming so at the moment at the moment we have some computers that are dedicated on jita and other projects that we are doing and [42:03] End. [42:03] In the future, maybe we will have other machines that can work to do other things. But we will do it. We need time, but we will do it. Now, are you... [42:17] absolutely convinced that this data is accurate or have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it have has any of that resonated with you and rang true is there any validity to any of the criticisms radar is only precise the nice thing that has radar is the precision [42:38] and especially from space. [42:41] because space is a very silent environment, [42:45] You don't have noise, something, the platform is very stable. So when you transmit electromagnetic waves, they return back with absolute precision. And it's recreated over and over again in these 200 plus scans that you've done with various different satellites, correct? Not just one, so that one could have errors.

[43:06] So you're convinced? I'm convinced. 100% because [43:09] Wow, I invented the method. Yes, I know. [43:15] I tell you that I'm happy if somebody can replicate things so [43:22] If other research groups can replicate the things that I'm showing, I am happy. Well, you got there first. Yes. So no matter what. [43:32] I mean, if this is correct, you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archaeology. Because if you are – you're welcome. But it's just fact. If what you're saying is true, and we're just recently discovering this in the 21st century, I mean, that's absolutely mind-bending. [43:52] Thank you. [43:53] Thank you for this. Yes, I am happy for being in this, but not only me, other people helping me to do my work. Oh, sure. Of course, a lot of people. And in principle, my family. [44:10] Yeah. These structures and this whole area – [44:17] If this turns out to be something that you don't find just at the Giza Plateau but around other parts of Egypt, I mean there's always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in sub-Saharan Africa, an advanced civilization that is in the areas that are now sand. [44:34] You could probably do that same sort of research there as well. Yes, I agree with this, and we will do it, yes. Wow.

[44:42] What is life like for you now having this exposed and now having this on the internet and all the speculation and all this excitement? What has that been like for you? Yes, I am not very used on all this exposure on the internet. It is something that I have to get used of this, yes. [45:09] My life is simple, Joe. I live in Italy. But now I repeat this, it is time to go. [45:24] ahead and go on [45:27] day [45:27] Giza, Plateau and Giza. [45:30] in person [45:33] I wish to... [45:35] see the effective structure, how they are, and the purpose of all the plateau, what it is. And is there plans to do that in person, to do some sort of an excavation? [45:47] Yes, I wrote project proposal. [45:53] which is research and also not research, a proposal. And is now... [46:01] Our intention is to submit this proposal. [46:07] at the Egyptian authorities. [46:09] . [46:10] If you want, I can explain you this proposal. Please. Please.

[46:14] We are involving University of Ferrara. [46:18] Thank you. [46:18] a principal scientist, Professoressa Vaccaro, Italian professor, she's a geologist, and other governmental, Italian governmental institutions that are very clever to do scans, in situ scans. So, [46:43] We are not using my technique. We use the state-of-the-art technique that... [46:49] It is recognized by science today. [46:54] Our intention is to [46:59] concentrated the efforts on those shafts that I showed you, that we have seen, because we are [47:09] 99% convinced that, or sure, that those are natural entrants into the world. [47:18] the structures that are located below. Because we have the vertical structures and [47:27] You saw on the tomographies, you have also horizontal connections. So there's corridors. Yes, you have. And how large are these corridors? [47:37] About, they are tall, about three meters tall. Okay. [47:42] So about nine feet tall? Yes, yes. That will, using these corridors, you will arrive directly inside the coils that we are visualizing, that we visualized before. So there's passages and shafts and these enormous...

[48:08] ways that they can go back and forth in between these various structures. The thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do cleaning because now they are sand, debris. [48:23] Yeah. And – [48:26] Is there a timeline on when you would like to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this kind of stuff? Yes. It depends when we submit the project. The project is ready. I know people that are living in Egypt that when we are ready, we can submit the project proposal. Then we are at when the government, if approved the project, we can start. [48:56] something at this scale would require enormous funding. Yeah. [48:59] And how do you hope to acquire that? [49:03] We can say people that this... [49:09] This work is not for me. [49:12] but it's for humans. [49:14] And so people... [49:16] We ask people to help us. [49:20] in getting money. [49:22] to perform the work. [49:25] We have to ask people. Have you reached out to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something like this? I don't know them, Joe. You don't know them? No. [49:36] But maybe… It's a big ask. Yes. It's a big ask. You know, asking… It's a big ask, yes. I need a few billion dollars to go dig around under the pyramids. I mean, how much money do you think it costs to do this? We have to do… We did an estimation of the…

[49:53] an estimation about, I don't know, maybe belonging [50:00] For $20 million or more. $20 million. Yes, $20 million. And this is just to clean the shaft and go underneath it? Because why so much money? Because our intention is to work safety. I don't want that people have to go down the shaft and work. We want to use drones, robots to make something automatically and so go down by using machines, not humans. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. [50:30] That way you can get accurate real-time video. - Yes, yes. - Wow. - With cameras and... It will be something, I am thinking about this, [50:41] maybe it is one of the most ancient [50:44] megalithic structure that we are dealing now can be [50:49] recovered by the most modern technology that we have now today. And so we can recover it. Modern [50:56] and ancient together. [50:57] So you've been giving this presentation now and even going around. What has that been like? [51:03] What has the reception of it been like? Yes, it... [51:06] moderate [51:08] Positive reception. Moderate positive. So people that are like, if this is true, it's amazing, but you have to show me more. Yes. [51:17] I tell you, in this project proposal, I am out. [51:22] You're out. Yes. [51:23] It is better than that University of Ferrara, that is one of the most important universities in Italy.

[51:30] Ken. [51:31] Stay there and... [51:33] manage all the work. [51:35] is better. Right. And I'm out. Right. You show them what's there. You show them the technology. Now, good luck. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And good luck. So tell me about this presentation. So how do you set this up? I know you brought some of the slides of this presentation. Tell me how you set this up. [51:54] How are you? [51:55] How you set it up. So how you explain it to these when you have these semi-skeptical scientists that are sitting down there and you're going to tell them I'm about to rewrite human history. How do you set this up? Oh, they were they were listening to me very well. And they asking me things about how they everyone. The first thing that they ask me is how it works. And that's good. And so I slowly explain, explain them how it works. [52:25] and how I arrived to make this presentation, to have our results, and so on. [52:38] Someone of them is skeptical, someone a bit less skeptical. Which is what you want. Yes. Yes, you want healthy debate about this kind of stuff. Healthy debate, yes. Because it's the only way you find out what the truth is. [52:49] Yes, only having a... [52:51] a healthy debate, we can find... [52:55] What is the truth? [52:56] I don't want to polarize people. [53:00] For me, it's not my job, no. Well, not only that, you're just discovering something. Yes. This is something that's there.

[53:08] And for people to just put on [53:11] a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all is crazy. Yes. Like if you're skeptical, we should probably explore it. And if you're wrong, okay, now we know it's not true. But if it is true – [53:23] It's a crime to not investigate. To not investigate. It's a crime to not investigate. Yes. [53:28] And I tell you, they... [53:31] the solution to [53:34] We don't have to dig holes, ruin what is now preserved. No, we have to only clean it. [53:43] Enough. [53:44] We have to only clean. And we have to use what there is [53:49] made. [53:49] It's for us because those shafts, they are for us. They are calling us. [53:54] where our rights are to [54:00] clean them and see what there is. [54:03] and go down and explore them personally. Well, it just seems like if these shafts exist alone, and they are at that depth that you describe, and they are the dimensions you describe, it really does lend credence to what you're saying. Yeah. Because it seems like there's a purpose for those things. And if they do go down to the area where all these structures are, [54:25] Seems like there's something there. In my personal opinion, they were built purposely. And if you see the access points, probably, yes, they are just points. They are they were made probably to, you know, Joe, when you go deeper.

[54:41] below the earth [54:42] the temperature rises a lot. So there is a certain ratio of where the temperature rises proportional to the depth that you are going. [54:56] So the shafts are made purposely to take, the function is to transport air, [55:05] Light and so cool what there is inside [55:08] Mmm. [55:10] Well, that makes sense. Yeah. And also access. [55:14] Show me some of the other slides and other things that are in your presentation so you can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at. [55:23] should I go? [55:24] Mm-hmm. [55:25] Okay. Yes, this is... [55:28] That's it. [55:29] This is Mario Pinkerle. Mario Pinkerle was a researcher that he died in 2012. And he was studying the Z, which is the multilayer monument. Let's call it a monument, but it's not a monument because it has a certain and very precise function that is inside the pyramid. [55:59] outlined image in the lower left hand corner. Yeah, that's the tomography that we have retrieved. Look, it's very precise. Right, it looks exactly like what it looks like in the actual image. What is that thing? What do you think the function of that thing is? Yes, the function is this. It is, you see on the top of the structure, there is something

[56:24] Like a cap. Yes. Like a cap. [56:28] That cap has a precise function. [56:34] to add [56:35] attract people. [56:37] the vibration [56:40] Okay. [56:41] It's an antenna. [56:43] Inde. [56:44] in the vibration domain. [56:47] Antenna in the vibration domain. Yes. Okay. Attract the energy... [56:53] in terms of... [56:54] mechanical vibration and propagates them [57:00] below. [57:01] There are other slides. [57:03] Please. Okay. Here I did a simulation. Now I'm sorry because I don't have the video because this is a PDF, but I reproduced the function of the Z on the computer. [57:20] Okay. Okay. [57:21] And look, on the right side we have [57:26] All the vibrations that interact one to each other, to each layer. Look. [57:31] And you can see that each layer, look how strange it is. Each layer. [57:37] On the top... [57:38] of each layer it is scattered. [57:41] Look. [57:42] on the top of each layer. And the bottom is very flat. It's flat. So what is that? It is something related to filter. It is a low pass filter. [57:54] made by stones

[57:56] V- [57:57] Very crazy, this. That's a low-pass filter. A low-pass filter. Yes. What exactly is a low-pass filter? Yes, a low-pass filter is a filter that allows us [58:06] that allows the transmission... [58:10] only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies. So it is a stabilizer, frequency stabilizer and the low pass [58:19] and a certain low value frequency. [58:24] Okay. Right. [58:26] And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn's theory that there was something underneath the pyramid – [58:34] that there was a chamber that they were using to generate vibration, and that that vibration would go through the entire structure. Yes, and look, Joe, the last layer... [58:46] Luke transmits... [58:48] directly inside [58:51] The so called sarcophagus That's not a sarcophagus [58:57] There. [58:58] And so what do you think that's what they call a sarcophagus, this immense granite box? Let's call it, yes, the granite box. Yes. And inside the granite box was done to contain a man, a body. [59:14] And that vibration, look. [59:17] collapses at the center of the [59:19] granite box where the man was lying down. So do you think there was actually a man inside there? So a person would lay in that box? Yes. Yes.

[59:28] And what happened to them? I don't know. [59:30] Whoa. [59:32] So – [59:34] I don't know. That's a simulation that I did about... I understand. It's precise. So you don't think it's for a dead body. You think it's for a live body. Yes. And so a person would lay there and have some... [59:45] probably incredibly profound experience, [59:48] with whatever... Probably, yes. [59:52] What do you think it was? [59:54] if you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you think it was? [1:00:01] I mean, what would happen to a person if they encountered this kind of vibration, these kinds of frequencies in this environment? [1:00:06] resonating. [1:00:08] Granite box. [1:00:09] Thank you. [1:00:11] I can say something that is not scientific recognized. Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah. [1:00:22] Maybe. Keep it up there, Jim. [1:00:25] What do you think? Maybe that person was ready to have an out-of-the-body experience induced. Yeah. [1:00:30] Oh, like a gateway. [1:00:33] a gateway to the spirit world. [1:00:39] Look, on the top you have the antenna. The antenna... [1:00:44] is recepting all the vibrations that transmits [1:00:49] all the signal [1:00:51] below [1:00:52] directly inside the granite box. It's very exciting. And what do you think was generating these vibrations? Ah, yes. The natural... The wind...

[1:01:03] the natural vibration of the earth, and also some, let's say, [1:01:10] flowing the flowing of water. [1:01:13] Also the flowing of water. So the flowing of water. And there was also shafts that were, this is part of Christopher Dunn's theory, these shafts that reached the outside of space that he thinks were attracting space radiation. Can be. [1:01:28] Yeah, that's another possibility. Yes, another possibility. He also had a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that's below the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration. For this, can be, yes, can be. So some boom, boom, boom through the entire structure. And this is creating this vibration. That's the antenna. You've got this filter through it. And then someone is laying in the sarcophagus tripping balls. Yes. [1:01:58] Is that? Whoa. Whoa. [1:02:01] That's crazy. [1:02:03] That's crazy. [1:02:06] Do you imagine if this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some sort of a bizarre out-of-body experience or psychedelic gateway experience? [1:02:17] I think that's true. I think it's psychedelic Disney World. [1:02:19] I do, seriously. I had that epiphany like two months ago. Really? I don't want to explain it. Please do. I was looking at a picture of me. [1:02:28] When I was a kid at like a Cedar Point, which is like a roller coaster place, I was just thinking of how much effort we put in.

[1:02:35] to making kids [1:02:37] or young adults have a wild experience that is only... [1:02:41] uh in reference you only understand it if you live there if you found disney world now in a thousand years you'd be like what the fuck they worship mice the fuck are you talking this is insane look at all the pictures of mice everywhere that's so true but you'd see that giant castle and there's rides everywhere and you you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would have been like or the teacups right it's nonsense it's fun for kids [1:03:04] but also would make them feel... [1:03:07] It. [1:03:08] Amazing, but also adding what this vibration stuff does and sound and music and all these other things. [1:03:13] You can put them all together and be like, you could feel like a god. [1:03:16] Yeah. If lightning hit the thing, you'd be like, what the... [1:03:19] I don't know. I just had that wild idea one day. It's an interesting idea because you think people have always been fascinated by achieving novel experiences. [1:03:29] And what more novel experience than a 2,300,000 stone structure that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west, aligns to the stars of Orion's Belt. You lie inside a stone box. [1:03:43] And the vibrations hit you and you're in that box. [1:03:49] And naturally you go out of the body. Who knows what it does to the body and the mind because we know that the mind is capable of producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That's why sound hits us so hard and we love music and just vibration itself.

[1:04:13] out all Maduro's troops. What could this thing have been? [1:04:19] Yeah. [1:04:20] Yes, and [1:04:23] I am relatively sure that the principal actor of everything [1:04:30] can be water [1:04:32] Amen. [1:04:34] vibrations, so sound [1:04:37] sound [1:04:39] But we are dealing now to the third thing. So the purpose, the exact purpose of this. [1:04:48] Maybe it can be also more than one purpose, more than one scopus of purpose. [1:04:58] the pyramids. [1:04:59] The pyramids intended to be, now I am 100% convinced that the pyramids can be considered the tip of the iceberg of something. [1:05:10] of something very huge that is composed by things that are below the earth and the pyramids that are up. [1:05:22] at the surface of that. So what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape? [1:05:31] Thank you. [1:05:32] Yes, probably because they have to resonate with the universe. [1:05:38] means in [1:05:40] in [1:05:41] in some

[1:05:46] they have to resonate with the universe. The universe jaw [1:05:55] It is... [1:05:56] It is not complicated. It's simple. [1:05:59] Because the universe is constituted by things, the matter, the particles, the light, yes, but everything is regulated. [1:06:11] by some constants. [1:06:13] there are the constants. [1:06:14] So the speed of the light, C, [1:06:17] 3 times 10 to the 8. [1:06:22] kilometers per second. Then you have the loss of the light, so you have the electric constants, the magnetic constants that are [1:06:32] that arranges very well the law of the universe. So it is important that something that has to [1:06:42] be well related to the place that we live, to the universe, has to contain very precisely [1:06:51] the dimensions [1:06:53] off. [1:06:54] recasting the constants of the universe. [1:06:57] Thank you. [1:06:58] And that's what you think the pyramids did. [1:07:01] personal yes [1:07:03] personal yes. [1:07:04] How old do you think they are? [1:07:07] Yes, on the... Sorry, the Italian starts with... [1:07:12] I start speaking Italian. No, it's okay, it's okay.

[1:07:17] and [1:07:21] the [1:07:22] The thing that we can say for certainly [1:07:27] is that the pyramids are older [1:07:30] than the dates that are written on the [1:07:33] typical history books. [1:07:36] So, [1:07:38] To see something, to say something very precisely, we have to go back in time into the Zaptapi. [1:07:46] So more than 36,000 years ago, something happened to the earth. [1:07:55] the ZapTapi began and [1:08:00] In a time belonging the Zeptepi and the Great Flood were built the pyramid. [1:08:06] the pyramids. [1:08:09] So I'm sending you something, Jamie, that's very interesting. Yes. [1:08:15] Do you have an estimation? What is your personal belief? [1:08:22] We can't say exactly the year. So Zeb Tepe, let's explain to people what that is, since I sometimes forget. [1:08:31] Zeb Tebbi is the thing that I described to Zahi Hawass, and he dismissed it. What is this? I've never heard of this. [1:08:38] It's an ancient king's list. [1:08:41] And it's a list of pharaohs that goes back past 30,000 years. [1:08:46] It's very inconvenient for modern academics, and so they like to portray it as myth.

[1:08:52] And then when it gets to the age of historically accurate [1:08:57] pharaohs that we know of, Khufu and Khafre, then they allow those pharaohs [1:09:03] Yes. But when you get all the way back to the 30,000 years ago, they like to say that that's just mythology. [1:09:09] Yes, it's true. But it is a matter of fact that Zeb Tepe, we have also other ancient megalithics that are very old, recognized very old. So we have to deal with that. Well, Gobekli Tepe was a big problem. Gobekli Tepe is a big problem. More than 11,000 years old, for sure. [1:09:31] Yeah. And there is that we saw. Here it is. This is something that I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is Stella as a limestone inscription discovered in 1858 near the Great Pyramid Complex of Giza. And the text describes a pharaoh Khufu who ruled from 2589 to 2566 B.C. visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess Isis. [1:10:01] as the mistress of the pyramid... [1:10:03] a title that has raised questions about whether parts of the Giza plateau were already considered sacred before Khufu's reign. And although most Egyptologists date the stela itself to the 26th dynasty, more than 2,000 years after Khufu, its wording continues to draw attention because it betrays the pharaoh as a restore rather than the original builder.

[1:10:26] Whether inscription provides older tradition or reflects later religious interpretation remains debated. But if this is accurate, this describes Khufu as restoring the pyramids. Now, this exists throughout history. [1:10:41] The temple of Tenochtitlan. [1:10:45] Where the Aztecs had, when they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born. And they found it. [1:10:53] Like people think the Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not. There was some sort of a previous civilization that lived in Mexico prior to the people that called themselves the Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs. [1:11:10] It's repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. And if this Stella is accurate – and this was also in Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock's book. So I sent this to Graham, and his reaction was pretty interesting. [1:11:40] chronology of ancient Egypt. It also challenged the consensus view that the Giza pyramids had been built as tombs [1:11:47] and only his tombs. [1:11:50] sign [1:11:51] Rather than investigating the statements from the Stella, the Egypt Chaldefs, they chose to devalue them in his quotes. They chose to say, oh, that's just inconvenient. But if it's if they are describing it that way.

[1:12:07] That seems... [1:12:09] Like this is a longstanding tradition of people finding things that, [1:12:14] that exists [1:12:15] There's clearly ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn't build that stuff. [1:12:26] But it seems like they're saying the restorer. Yes. Yes. I agree with you, Joe. [1:12:34] I tell you, there are... [1:12:37] some facts that we have to observe [1:12:40] Because I am used to observe... [1:12:42] Before I say something, I have to observe. [1:12:47] So [1:12:49] I'm not, how do you say, an expert of pyramids because I am an engineer, I work on satellites, I am a space engineer, I'm not an Egyptologist like that, but... [1:13:05] I can observe. [1:13:07] Thank you. [1:13:09] Inside the pyramids... [1:13:12] They found a lot of salt on the ground. [1:13:19] that were [1:13:20] attached on the walls [1:13:22] so they find salt. [1:13:24] Why there was salt there? [1:13:27] First [1:13:29] second. [1:13:31] The shafts that we are dealing now, if we want to clean the shafts, why there is debris?

[1:13:37] Why they are tupped? [1:13:42] Oh. [1:13:43] So [1:13:44] If the great flood is an historical parameter, [1:13:51] recognize it. So let's say 11,000, 12,000 years ago, let's say something like that. I don't remember precisely. [1:13:59] The ZEPTEPI, which is not recognized, is 36,000. [1:14:05] in the past. [1:14:05] So, between the Zeptepi and the Great Flood, [1:14:10] Thank you. [1:14:11] we can locate the pyramids. [1:14:13] and the Sphinx. [1:14:15] This episode is brought to you by ShipStation. When your company is growing fast, order fulfillment can make or break your success. ShipStation's intelligence-driven platform brings order management, rate shopping, marketing, [1:14:28] inventory and returns, warehouse systems, and comprehensive analytics all in one place, saving customers 15 hours per week on fulfillment. ShipStation compares rates across all major global carriers, including USPS, UPS, and FedEx, plus your own discounted rates if you have them to find you the best shipping option on every order with discounts up to 90% off. There's a [1:14:58] Trust ShipStation. Try ShipStation free for 60 days with full access to all features, no credit card needed. Go to ShipStation.com and use the code JRE for 60 days free. 60 days gives you plenty of time to see exactly how much time and money you're saving on every shipment. That's ShipStation.com, code JRE. This episode is brought to you by Chime. Chime is bringing something fresh to banking.

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[1:17:12] Joe, two months ago I went for the first time to visit the pyramids [1:17:18] And I found salt. [1:17:20] On the wall. [1:17:21] There is still salt. [1:17:23] And you think that salt is probably because... I taste it. It's of water, of the sea. [1:17:29] Wow. Yes. [1:17:30] I forgot to bring it to you. Not just that, but there's so much salt that there's still salt there 11,000 years later, which is really extraordinary. [1:17:43] And so you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded? Yes. And that's the reason why the shafts were flooded and filled with debris? Yes. Right. [1:17:51] Topped off with debris because everything just flooded into there. And then when the sea receded, so many years later, you're left with salt everywhere. Yeah. And that's why the reason that I don't want that people go to work inside the shaft because they're dangerous. Can collapse the... [1:18:11] the debris. [1:18:12] It can collapse because you can have bubble of air and so it's dangerous. Right, right. Robots has to go. Right. Well, it makes more sense. Robots are safer and it's also like you do. So everything is connected. The Great Flood, the Zeptepe and the pyramids. Wow. Wow. [1:18:29] And I'm convinced I do that. Yeah. I am convinced. [1:18:33] that maybe 18 I go in the center 18,000 [1:18:38] or something like that, between 18,000 and 20,000. - Well, what's crazy is that pushes back

[1:18:45] that ancient civilization by 14,000 years. [1:18:49] which is at least 14,000 years. I mean, John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000 plus years to the construction of the Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when Robert Shock from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the pyramid, and then, excuse me, the Temple of the Sphinx. The Sphinx, yes. Yeah, and the water erosion, he's like, this is… It's vertical. Yes, it's vertical fissures that come from thousands of years of rainfall, [1:19:19] years ago. So you're dealing with thousands of years before that of rain to achieve that kind of erosion. Yes. It is necessary now when, that's why this research and this activity that hope we will do [1:19:35] It is very important. Yeah. Because this, it is able to rewrite everything. [1:19:40] I mean, really rewrite everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts, in those corridors, something that you could date. [1:19:51] Yeah. And you get a date back of 26,000 BC. You go, what? [1:19:57] I mean, this is... [1:19:58] It's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what's so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that [1:20:07] that things are far older. [1:20:10] than conventional wisdom, the conventional narrative that's taught in schools.

[1:20:16] Yes, I agree. [1:20:18] I agree because, as I told you before, this is the time to see effective what we... [1:20:29] which is the exact date of construction, who made them and how they made them. [1:20:34] How could we figure out how they made it? That's the crazy thing, right? Because we don't even understand the technology they used to cut them. [1:20:42] We don't know what they had. And that's the other thing. If you're dealing with something that's 20,000 plus years old, 15,000 years old, what's going to be left? All the metal's gone. Everything is eroded. The earth is reclaimed, most things. Really, the thing that you have left is stone, which is... [1:21:00] Pretty crazy. [1:21:02] Yeah. And if we see the rooms, all the structures that are currently inside, let's say the Cheops pyramid, which I like it a lot, the Grand Gallery is very nice, fascinating. [1:21:16] They have a precision, incredible precision. [1:21:19] All those big, huge... [1:21:21] stones that is composed in the Grand Gallery [1:21:25] It's very exciting. I like it a lot. [1:21:27] Did you have any sort of fascination about the pyramids before this? [1:21:41] I had a... [1:21:45] How do you say?

[1:21:47] I had a personal computer, a very old one, and I was always playing on something that... and that was the pyramids. They were all the pyramids. And in that meantime, I realized that I liked the pyramids. [1:22:09] And so I was very young. So the personal computer, you were just researching the pyramids, is that what it was? Yes, yes. Just looking at pictures and images? Yes, yes. Yeah. So you always were fascinated by it. But did you have an understanding or even any questions about the timeline of civilization before this? No, never. So it only happened within the last few years? Yes. [1:22:30] I began working, so being interested in pyramids starting from 2018. [1:22:42] So it was right after you started doing this research. Yes. And you started saying, okay, what is this? Yeah. And so when you started to research on something that... [1:22:54] that is... [1:22:55] our history, our past, our origins because our origins are there so we have to fetch, we have to find what there is there [1:23:07] because the [1:23:07] It is important to research our origin, because in this meantime, humanity does not know...

[1:23:20] We don't know who we are. We don't know our origins. We don't know anything of who we are. And most of the answers can be found in studying the pyramids. [1:23:34] Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created. Yes. [1:23:40] And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently believe, that is really, really interesting. Yeah. And it is for me a very – it is something that I have always in my mind. [1:23:56] only to know how they did, how they cut the stones, how they have transported the stones, and how, I don't know, how, how, how, everything. It's all how, how, how. Yes. What gave them the idea? Like, were there any previous pyramids? Because it's weird, because the older you go, the more complex the structures are. And the newer ones are kind of shitty. [1:24:18] Yeah. [1:24:20] So, okay, so we went from that, we showed this antenna and it goes into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations. What other things do you show in your presentation that are interesting? I showed principally all the structures. [1:24:36] that are under the Kafri pyramid and also under each pyramid. And also I described the method [1:24:47] uh, [1:24:48] on how

[1:24:50] going. [1:24:52] below without drilling anything. [1:24:55] And so I showed them that there are the entrances are there on our eyes. [1:25:03] everyone can see. [1:25:04] those shafts. And so why we are not exploring them? Why they are so dirty? Why they are so without any kind of work of renewal? [1:25:19] I don't know why. [1:25:20] Well, it seems like there's limited resources, first of all. Moivias. Yeah. And also it seems like Egypt... [1:25:28] entire... [1:25:30] economy is based on tourism, an immense amount of tourism, because it's so fantastic. There's people from all over the world make a pilgrimage. I also find a method to combine, so not stopping the tourism, no? So it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So we can delimitate the area, inside the area we work, and outside the area, safety, all the people can visit the [1:26:00] Not only that, I think it will enhance tourism. Yeah. Because if this speculation proves to be fruitful, and you start looking under there, and you find that there is evidence to all this, it's just going to make more people want to go there. Oh, yes. I agree with you. But you imagine, Joe. [1:26:16] Thank you. [1:26:17] we will find... [1:26:19] the structures that are underneath.

[1:26:21] No? [1:26:21] And maybe we can try to build a huge lift that can't [1:26:26] carry people downstairs in safety always, or maybe not below for a lot, but at a certain depth, so they can also travel along the horizontal corridors that are present, and so they go up from the shafts, and they go up to the Kafri Pyramid, and they go away from the entrance here, and they go... [1:26:56] Intercepting the pyramids That would be amazing Yes [1:26:59] Yeah, I mean it would just be much more tourism. Yes. Yeah. And also all eyes would be on Egypt. Yes. I mean it would probably be a huge boost to their economy. It would probably be a huge boost to archaeology. Yes. Because more young people would get fascinated by it and want to study it. Yeah. And imagine also this. [1:27:19] What can we find below? [1:27:22] down there, what can we find? [1:27:25] This is a question that I am asking because if we watch the slide concerning the shaft that I want to clean, there are things inside. [1:27:38] I am showing that there are things located inside the chamber. Look, there is something. [1:27:47] What is that? What are you saying? When we're talking about the shaft where it goes all the way down to the bottom and there's a chamber, is that what you mean?

[1:27:54] That one. Yes. [1:27:56] Right there. So that structure that is at the bottom. What's that? What's that? [1:28:01] I don't know what's that. Right. It's very huge. Yeah. [1:28:05] Very huge, and it's at the bottom of the shaft. Yes. [1:28:09] Look the horizontal corridors. [1:28:13] And so there's more horizontal corridors when you traverse down into the shaft. Then you intercept other corridors. And how large are those corridors? About three meters tall. [1:28:29] So there's these three-meter-tall shafts. [1:28:34] That go to the side. Yes. These corridors that go to the side. Yes. Yes. [1:28:37] along the way, and then also down at the very bottom. Yes. Yes. [1:28:42] And you're convinced of this? [1:28:44] This is all accurate data. [1:28:48] Wow. [1:28:49] And no one has ever sent a camera down there or anything? Look, those are human, man-made structure, like... [1:28:55] a ring on another ring. [1:28:58] Look. [1:28:59] It is very clear. Right. If you observe the structure. Those are man-made. Right. And they go deep, very deep. And you can see the rubbish that is on the bottom. All the debris. The debris. And that debris, you think, was a lot of it because of the flood? Right. [1:29:14] I am 100% sure of this. [1:29:17] so the pyramids or the Giza plateau it seems to stop [1:29:23] the functionality, the working

[1:29:28] We don't know which kind of work [1:29:30] were used to do, but stopped [1:29:34] because of the great flood. [1:29:36] So we can go. [1:29:37] back in time in 12,000 years ago. And when people, the people that don't know, if you're hearing this, like what great flood, that's just not, that's just myth. There's a thing called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory and the Younger Dryas Impact Theory group that's been studying this, they now know that there was impacts to the earth that are around the 11,800 year mark. And then I believe again in the 10,000 year range, Randall Carlson is probably the best guy to talk to. [1:30:07] about that, but that they find high levels of iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth, but there's a layer of it. They also find these nanodiamonds that they also discovered during the first Trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb. They find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the intense explosion interacting with the sand. So what is it called? Trinitite? Tritite? [1:30:35] So it was called [1:30:36] What are those nuclear glass? What is that called? Tritonite? [1:30:40] Is that what it's called? Something related to vitrification. Yes. Okay. [1:30:46] exists all over the world and it exists all over the world when they do a core sample at the same depth yeah and so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we've been hit yes yeah but another scientific indicator is the debris why there is that debris right why so much so much right why so much if we if we do carotage drilling of that debris inside the shaft

[1:31:10] I don't know how deep we can go. So why there is all that debris there? We don't know. Right, which makes sense if there is a great flood that fills the pyramid with salt water. Yes. It probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft. Yeah. Completely makes sense. [1:31:40] of salt because we're mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soil. [1:31:47] Also, you could get dirt from the very bottom and get some sort of organic material and carbon date that. [1:31:55] And maybe you can get an understanding of like maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft. [1:32:00] Very interesting. Yes, it's possible. It can be possible. [1:32:10] Incredible evidence. [1:32:12] Either way, just what it is. [1:32:15] that we know that there's immense shafts. We know that they go many, many meters deep into the earth. And we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way, these corridors along the way. Like all of it is just nuts. [1:32:29] I was looking at the Osiris shaft here. This shaft. Okay. It's just near these other ones. [1:32:39] When they found it, there was water down there they had to get out.

[1:32:42] And the water is not only cold, [1:32:45] Ice cold, it says. [1:32:46] It's clean enough to be drinking water. Whoa. And I don't know that it doesn't [1:32:51] It sounded like it refills itself. Oh, so there's a spring down there. [1:32:55] Well, that is also the problem with the labyrinth. So the labyrinth that they have where there's this enormous atrium and this 40 meter long metallic object that apparently is underneath there, and this is through ground penetrating radar that discovered this. I don't think they know what that metal is either. I think it's an unknown metal. [1:33:13] But they built a dam there, I believe, in the 1960s, and to help the farmers. And unfortunately, that flooded that whole area. So because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam, the water table rose. Yes. And that entire labyrinth is now filled with water. Yeah. But through ground-penetrating radar, they've been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it. And then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus, who described it. See if you can pull that up. [1:33:42] Herodotus described it as greater than the Giza Plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atriums, these huge passageways underneath the Great Pyramid area. [1:33:55] more complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves. [1:34:01] My God. My God. Like, what was this civilization? These people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced than perhaps anybody that's ever existed, including us. Yes. Just in a different way. Including us. Including us. Just in a different way.

[1:34:31] the Osiris shaft and the water that transported all the debris but that water was salty water because of the great flood so it was water of the sea composing the sea which makes sense when you see the salt that's all over the pyramids this is Herodotus' quote I've seen it myself and indeed words cannot describe it though the pyramids beggar description and each one of them is a match [1:35:01] great monuments built by Greeks. This maze surpasses even the pyramids. [1:35:07] That is crazy. [1:35:09] That's crazy that he said that. And have you ever seen any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like? No. See if you can find some of that because we did it. If anybody's interested in this, I can't recommend enough Uncharted X. It's Ben Van Kirkwijk's. [1:35:24] This is what apparently is underneath this area. [1:35:29] This episode is brought to you by Blinds.com. Texas summers don't mess around with patio surfaces easily reaching 150 degrees, hot enough to make your backyard feel like a punishment. And if your windows are bare, indoor temperatures can go up 20 degrees. Get ahead of it with custom solar shades for your den and your patio from Blinds.com. Whether you want to do it yourself or have a pro handle everything, they've got you covered. [1:35:59] want but still have access to real design professionals. They'll even send free samples. Blinds.com has been doing this for 30 years and they back everything with a 100% satisfaction guarantee so you can order with confidence. Right now, my listeners can get an exclusive 40% off when you spend $500 or more at Blinds.com and use the promo code ROGAN40. Limited time offer, Blinds.com, promo code ROGAN40. Rules and restrictions apply.

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[1:38:02] They're lying in a gigantic stone box, tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid. The structures go – how long? A kilometer of the entire thing into the earth? 1.2. 1.2 kilometers into the earth. From the base of the pyramid down 1.2 kilometers. [1:38:21] Wow. [1:38:23] This has changed, I mean, from 2018 to now, from you researching this and – [1:38:29] Does this change your entire life? [1:38:31] perspective of human history and just human beings in general? [1:38:37] In my personal opinion, yes. [1:38:40] Because... [1:38:40] Before this was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made, all those stones. But if we are adding also the structures that are underneath, I don't know what happens. Right. More impossible than before. Right. Right. [1:38:59] More impossible than – I mean – [1:39:03] If you'd imagine with modern technology trying to recreate something like that, you're talking about an immense project that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars. Yes. If not more. [1:39:13] And the engineering involved in it. I mean you're an engineer. The engineering involved in doing something like that like – [1:39:20] How? [1:39:21] How they can cut the granite so precisely is impossible. [1:39:25] It's impossible. Also today, it's impossible. So they had some sort of a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction. We went in the direction of internal combustion engines and electronics, and they probably went in some completely different direction. Yeah.

[1:39:42] Yes, because the modern science started from a point and then as you are saying right, [1:39:52] We followed a direction. [1:39:55] which is the direction of light, because most of our inventions, our, yes, internal combustion engines and other stuff, but principally we use light because we can see it. [1:40:13] We can see light. Okay, we use light. But [1:40:17] other other [1:40:19] existence other people that that was living in the past maybe use it other things [1:40:27] that we don't know. [1:40:28] Maybe sound. Maybe sound. [1:40:30] It seems like it if this is generating sound and vibration, if your speculation is correct. Yes. [1:40:36] That they were obsessed with vibration and sound. Yes. [1:40:40] They were obsessed in vibrations and sound. [1:40:44] Because all the structures that I have [1:40:48] that I watched inside the pyramids. [1:40:52] they are like something that [1:40:54] Generate sound. [1:40:56] or they maintain clean the sound. [1:41:00] it resonates sound it echoes it has a very specific echo to it the Z like that is magnificent the Z is perfect [1:41:10] It's a perfect device made...

[1:41:13] by stones. [1:41:15] It's very nice. [1:41:16] And just... [1:41:18] How? [1:41:19] How and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this? [1:41:24] And this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression in civilization to go from caveman to modern 2026 human being. We like to think that it was just, oh, we figured this out, then we figured the wheel out, and then it was agriculture. Now here we are today with cars. [1:41:44] But more likely, [1:41:46] There were some peaks and valleys. We rose up to a very high level probably during Egypt, and it was shattered down, and it took probably a long time before civilization rebuilt itself again. [1:41:57] Joe, then we are speaking about modern living, but modern living has to be sustainable. [1:42:05] I don't think that our modern living is so sustainable. No. No. [1:42:10] I mean, even our population isn't sustainable. No. We're in population collapse in many countries in the world, South Korea, Japan. Even there's arguments about America itself. [1:42:22] that we're in population collapse. Yeah. And, [1:42:25] We're also chaotic. [1:42:28] We also have a very bizarre distribution of information that's filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda. Yes, lies and propaganda, yes. We have the government that's constantly trying to censor people and control speech and limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things so they can continue to dominate resources. We have a weird society today, but it's also a society because of this access to information where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before.

[1:42:57] That is – that's the most exciting thing about our time because there's so much room for discussion. [1:43:03] I want to, if I can, to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy or to other things. [1:43:15] Eh... [1:43:17] We have an example. [1:43:19] of how modern humans are a bit strange because we are not made, it is like that we are not made to research or to find the harmonics in our living. [1:43:41] And so... [1:43:43] I just want to make an example. Do you remember in the 80s when the cold fusion rises? Yes. Yeah. So maybe we are speaking about Fleshman and Pons that made for the first time, they had a glass of water and inside they made this mini Fleshman. [1:44:05] nuclear reactor inside. [1:44:07] they had some results that were very, very poor results, I know, but [1:44:12] was at [1:44:13] base to build something stronger. [1:44:17] They... [1:44:18] put away that experiment. They debunked that experiment. It was not good. It is not good because it is not possible.

[1:44:28] And the example of the cold fusion, [1:44:31] is how we are, because cold fusion was devoted to find the energy. [1:44:39] using resonance. [1:44:42] resonance. [1:44:43] Why? [1:44:44] before how how it works called the fusion we have two atoms of of hydrogen [1:44:52] we start [1:44:54] uh [1:44:56] So we start putting together these two atoms, but while we put together these two atoms, there are the atomic forces that tend to, no, I don't want to stay with the other atom. But then there is a limit that the atoms fuse together and they are transformed in helium. [1:45:18] plus energy, because of [1:45:21] of the mass difference. [1:45:23] And so you can do energy by... [1:45:25] fusion, this is fusion, not cold fusion. So you can have a fusion by forcing together [1:45:33] the atoms they don't want to stay together so the force [1:45:39] to be forced together [1:45:41] And that is hot. Yes, that is hot fusion. [1:45:45] Cold fusion, you convince the two atoms to stay together naturally. [1:45:52] Okay. So today... [1:45:56] What method do they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally? Yes. You have to find a third material that convinces the two atoms.

[1:46:06] to stay together. [1:46:07] like you say I have a couple you have a couple a girl and a man they don't they don't want to talk [1:46:14] one to each other. If you put a third person [1:46:19] between them at the center of them and she and maybe a third person and [1:46:26] convince the man and the girl to speak together and they will speak together. [1:46:31] So the third material, which is palladium, they use palladium. Palladium has the physical property to make... [1:46:42] speak together the two atoms and without force them, [1:46:47] day naturally [1:46:48] transform into helium. [1:46:50] and they generate. [1:46:52] Energy. [1:46:53] because the helium has a mass lower than the two atoms. With mass difference, you will. [1:47:00] you will generate energy. And doing this at scale is really the holy grail of modern science. This has always been the quest. Yes. So we have two paradigmas. [1:47:10] convincing something or obtaining the results using the force. [1:47:16] And so the street that you were speaking before... [1:47:21] science [1:47:23] Head [1:47:24] this street [1:47:26] We want to have things by using force, not convincing. [1:47:32] Right. That's where we are. That's nuclear power. Yes. [1:47:35] Nuclear energy.

[1:47:38] Yes. [1:47:38] because [1:47:40] It's [1:47:41] I tell you, today [1:47:44] also hot... [1:47:46] nuclear fusion does not exist. [1:47:49] because it is very difficult to understand [1:47:53] to make a huge reactor that uses the tokamaks or something related to laser that uses, that forces together the atoms, is something not natural. Code fusion was natural. And so the pyramids are something related to vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to something like that. [1:48:16] It is the right creation... [1:48:19] that was the past. They were the right creation. They were doing it the correct way. Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature. And in the universe. And that's why [1:48:31] All the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. [1:48:40] It is not difficult, it's very simple to read the universe. Okay, show me more, show me more of this presentation. What else do you have in here when you go from [1:48:51] from the the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus yes well yes we can go [1:48:59] to that slide. [1:49:05] This stuff is awesome. This is my favorite subject by far.

[1:49:08] Of all subjects, ancient history, and particularly ancient Egypt, is my favorite subject. Okay, we stop to Pinkerly. Because it's so undeniably interesting. If we can go and slide up... [1:49:20] He is like [1:49:23] Here we are dealing with something that happened in 2020, 2022. After this, after our paper was published, because these results are on our first paper, look, Joe. [1:49:38] Thank you. [1:49:39] That slide there, that picture. The lower left slide. Yes. [1:49:44] You depict chambers that were previously not known. Yeah. [1:49:49] That's the big void. Right, the big void. That's the big void. And then there is the Chevron, [1:49:55] connecting with the corridor [1:49:59] the base of the Grand Gallery. That corridor was discovered six months later by Zagiawas. [1:50:08] Wow. [1:50:10] They made the paper, but... I... [1:50:14] I depicted six months [1:50:17] So you let them know it was there. And then Zahi was like, I found it. That's the corridor. I don't want to say that I found it. Well, you found it. I'll say it. You found it. So your technology. [1:50:33] Showed something that turned out to be true and is now established. Yes. I

[1:50:39] And again, how crazy is it that they're just finding new chambers in the pyramids? [1:50:43] in the 21st century. [1:50:46] Pretty spectacular that they're just finding this now. [1:50:50] And just yesterday, I was to examine it again. I don't have slides here. I'm sorry. But there are the results of the SCAM Pyramid project. The SCAM Pyramid is very good. It is a very nice project group. [1:51:13] And they discovered the so-called big void. [1:51:18] But there is a problem. [1:51:21] because they say the big void can be something... [1:51:24] Parallel. [1:51:25] to the Grand Gallery. Sure. [1:51:28] Not steady, but inclined. Like inclined. In a neckline, right. [1:51:33] Examinating their results. [1:51:38] I was observing something. [1:51:40] Maybe. [1:51:42] I say maybe I can't say that I am right of this. Maybe they are confusing people. [1:51:50] An inclined new chamber [1:51:53] by the top of the, they are distinguishing the top of the Grand Gallery. [1:52:00] and the bottom of the Grand Gallery. [1:52:03] like that. I observed the results, but... [1:52:07] In my personal opinion, [1:52:09] The big void is not inclined, but it is located where there is that red blob there. That's the Grand Gallery. Yes, there and also up.

[1:52:21] Yes, that's the Grand Gallery. It is not inclined. [1:52:24] Peace. [1:52:25] is flat like that is how you say is [1:52:29] Steady, not inclined. [1:52:31] Thank you. [1:52:32] That's the Grand Gali. Why do they think it's at an incline? [1:52:35] because we are not seeing... [1:52:38] My technique is not detecting an inclined technique. [1:52:43] Chamber [1:52:45] on the top of the Grand Gallery. Why do they think there's an incline? Yes, because they found... [1:52:51] Two targets parallel. [1:52:53] But... [1:52:54] I am feeling to tell them [1:52:57] to be careful, because maybe they are confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery and the [1:53:03] in the lower part of the Grand Gallery. [1:53:06] I see. [1:53:07] Okay. [1:53:08] They have to be careful. [1:53:10] Interesting. But it's just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective and accurate. [1:53:18] Thank you. [1:53:19] Because you did describe it. Yes. We can see the results that I obtained on the Grand Sasso. We can see the Grand Sasso and the laboratory of Grand Sasso. That is the perfect benchmark that describes the effectiveness of my technique. All right. Show me some more. What else you got here? [1:53:46] Thank you. [1:53:47] Show me another slide.

[1:53:51] Below, I think. Ah, okay, okay. We go to Gubbio. This is a town where I live. I am... This is Saxo-Haman, right? Saxo-Haman, yes. This is Saxo-Haman. And here I am showing you the next... [1:54:08] work that we [1:54:10] Kendo. [1:54:11] once the GIZA scanning activity are finished. [1:54:16] So this is in Peru, correct? Yes. And so you want to scan this as well because, you know, we've had quite a few people on describe this. [1:54:26] Look, Joe, the stones are like marshmallows. Yes. [1:54:30] They are like marshmallows. How they did those marshmallows. [1:54:35] There stinks there. [1:54:36] enormous. Enormous. So of them 100 tons... [1:54:40] Carved from stones that who knows how they put them into position, but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes, right? Yes. The idea of this technology is that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is because it would be much less likely to move in an intense earthquake. Okay. Okay. [1:55:02] Go back to the tape. [1:55:03] Gubbio, just a few words on this city, that is a small town that is located in Perugia, where I live.

[1:55:33] city. [1:55:34] Not so old, but it is a Roman city that compounds that arena that is there. So a lost Roman city that's around that area. Yes, yes. [1:55:47] And I say hello to the people of Gubbio. So is this the next thing that you're going to do? One of the next things? One of the next. But Saxe-Huaman is also in the middle. Yeah, Saxe-Huaman, yes. Yeah. [1:55:58] Ah, and there is also Caracora also. Very interesting. The slide... [1:56:05] 51. [1:56:07] Please. [1:56:08] Yes, yes. Caracola, yes. This is... [1:56:14] located in Russia and there are [1:56:17] huge structures inside [1:56:21] there [1:56:23] This is in Russia. Yes, yes. And nobody knows the purpose of those things there. Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy. [1:56:33] And how big are these things? Can you keep that up there, Dan? [1:56:37] pictures of it so you can see what it looks like yes keep this up just for a couple seconds i just like how how big are we what are we looking at here yes we have nine plus 16 plus seven plus 10 plus 36 and they go below [1:56:50] So maybe two or three hundred meters below. Two or three hundred meters. Yes. And there's this immense rectangle at the bottom of these corridors. Yeah. [1:56:59] and it goes more [1:57:01] more deeply. [1:57:02] And so they...

[1:57:04] Nobody knows what that is. And if you look at that image, it's clearly a man-made structure. It's man-made, absolutely, yes. I mean, look, there's stones. They're placed. Yeah. Yeah. [1:57:14] That is nuts. That's crazy. And there's no historical timeline, no understanding of who did it. [1:57:21] No. [1:57:22] Wow. [1:57:24] So it's likely that there's structures like this that exist that are undiscovered. [1:57:29] Probably all over the world. Yeah [1:57:32] Yes. [1:57:33] The nice thing of this is... [1:57:36] is this. [1:57:37] satellites [1:57:38] R [1:57:39] Global. [1:57:40] globally. So, [1:57:42] one satellite flies from, let's say, South Pole, [1:57:46] North Pole, South Pole, like that. Right. Because of the angular momentum conservation... [1:57:54] day [1:57:56] let's say, the wheel of the orbit... [1:57:59] Remain steady. [1:58:01] And the earth... [1:58:02] rotates inside this circle the circle remains steady right that so [1:58:09] at least once a day, [1:58:11] one satellite can observe [1:58:14] potentiali [1:58:15] any part of the globe. [1:58:16] in one day. [1:58:17] So you can [1:58:20] Program snapshots where you want. [1:58:23] in all the Earth in one day. And how many satellites are up there? Ah, there are... The satellites that contains on board of them... [1:58:34] a payload.

[1:58:35] composed by a synthetic aperture radar, there are a lot. There are [1:58:41] different satellite companies that provide these services. [1:58:46] So today it is possible to [1:58:50] decide to observe something, okay, I call the company and they put case for me an image. [1:58:57] And this structure in Russia, how was this initially discovered? [1:59:01] Was it discovered by explorers? Manually, by explorers. Manually. Yes. And how did they get the dimensions of it? Are people able to go all the way down into it? Yes. Death man. [1:59:10] Because there is only a man that went down, because it's very narrow. [1:59:16] once you go down, everything becomes very huge and large. Measure it manually all those [1:59:23] depths. But [1:59:24] More than then, you can't go because maybe it's too narrow. I don't know. Okay. Did you find any images of that, Jamie, online? Yes. [1:59:33] I'm looking into something. [1:59:37] stuck in the hole. [1:59:39] Someone was sort of saying that's in a different spot, and now I was trying to track it down. These are also... [1:59:43] weirdly only getting talked about over the last month. So I am digging down a... [1:59:48] This episode is brought to you by Blue Chew, the number one brand for better sex. Blue Chew just dropped something crazy. Blue Chew Gold. Blue Chew has made it easy for 5 million men to get hard, but now they've made it easier to get horny too. Blue Chew Gold gets your brain and body on the same page fast. Other options just help blood flow, but Gold combines

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[2:01:53] when did they discover this [2:01:55] I don't remember Joe. 2011. [2:01:59] That's crazy. The fact that they don't know who made it or why. [2:02:03] But it is clearly man-made. You've seen these stones perfectly cut, stacked on top of each other. Yes, and you have the same... [2:02:12] Thank you. [2:02:13] Okay, it says it's currently known from fringe social media and YouTube-style sources rather than former archaeological publications because it hasn't been – [2:02:21] Explore it, correct? Yeah, it's 15 years ago. Yeah, pretty nuts. But, I mean, who's doing that kind of work in Russia, especially now? Deep underground shaft lined with large parallel megalithic stone blocks with walls described as straight and polished suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure. And this is all from our sponsor, Perplexity, that we run all of our questions through. [2:02:46] And it's always been very accurate. [2:02:48] Said to lie somewhere between in the Russian caucus, often simply described simply as North caucus or caucus mountains. [2:02:56] With videos and posts presenting it as evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stone working techniques. [2:03:04] Crazy that they don't know who made this. [2:03:07] There's no accessible peer-reviewed archaeological articles, official Russian heritage records, or academic monographs to describe the site formerly named the Karahora. Am I saying that right? Karahora? [2:03:21] Karahoraschaft. Karahoraschaft, which strongly suggests the claim has not been vetted by mainstream archaeology, but, you know, look, it exists.

[2:03:28] Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't matter. Like who made it? What is it? [2:03:33] Nuts. [2:03:35] That's really crazy. I had no idea that that existed. [2:03:39] And it's just, it makes you think, like, if they just found that in 2011. Manually. Right. And maybe doing a wide research by satellites, maybe. [2:03:51] starting from there or other sites [2:03:54] between that that carahora maybe we will find other things right it could be a part of an enormous complex yes who knows but just the fact that that exists and that a human made that or humans made that that's crazy [2:04:09] The whole thing is crazy because it really doesn't – like anybody that – boy, modern archaeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an uphill battle because like you can't – [2:04:20] At a certain point in time, you have to give up and go, I don't know. And that's an I don't know moment. Yes, this is an I don't know moment. What the hell is that? What is that? I don't know. Show me some more images, Jamie, because it's really kooky. Of the shaft? Yeah, just what that looks like. I'm trying to... [2:04:36] I'm digging down a hole, and there's a post here on Twitter. Yes, there are not so many. This is like they're misinterpreting something. This is Jay Anderson, who's been on the podcast recently. This is the tweet I found. How about some fat check? Kara Hora in the Cabardino, Balkhria Republic, North Caucus of the Russian Federation, is a different place from Kara Koto.

[2:05:00] So, Karahora and Karakos, so there's more than one place? [2:05:06] I'm just Googling stuff. It all comes from this one video, it seems like, because everyone's pointing to this video, and this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff. [2:05:14] It's got 3 million views from 2024, so I can see how it went viral, you know? [2:05:20] It starts off... [2:05:22] but just showing that [2:05:23] So this is probably the entry to this area. Maybe, but again, no one knows. They can't tell you where that is on a map. Right, got it. Look how precise they are. [2:05:35] So this might be... [2:05:37] Who knows? Yeah, could be real, could be nonsense. Well, the images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening that you showed earlier in your presentation is just bananas. Yeah. [2:05:48] But whatever this is, it's fine. But that's where I don't know where it's from. It could be. Right. Do they have any video of once they got all the way down through? So here – [2:05:56] Okay, let's keep going. See what it looks like. [2:06:00] I don't even know. [2:06:04] Yeah, so someone else has done narration on it. [2:06:06] Mm-hmm. It's coming from a different channel. I can see a tag on there. It's coming from a different show. God, look at the right angles, though. This is nuts. Yes. Yes. [2:06:15] I mean, it clearly looks like something man-made. [2:06:19] Look how I'm precise. [2:06:21] That's crazy. No, that's man-made. It's absolutely man-made. [2:06:25] There are also a comparison with the dimensions. [2:06:30] of the dimensions.

[2:06:31] Wow. [2:06:32] What the hell is that? [2:06:35] That's crazy. What the hell is that? It's crazy and they found it in 2011. I mean, imagine how much more of this stuff. [2:06:43] I mean, that's one of the things about Gobekli Tepe. They've only observed 5% of it. I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered. And through ground-penetrating radar, they know of multiple sites nearby. Yes, but ground-penetrating radar has a problem. What is the problem? The problem of ground-penetrating radar is the penetration depth is... [2:07:05] few meters enough. So there is a problem of penetration depth, but... [2:07:11] In that depth, you are very precise. So you have to take into account that more than [2:07:17] 15, 20 meters below you can't go. [2:07:20] Right, but using that method they have found all these structures that exist. It's a good method. [2:07:27] For [2:07:29] in situ exploration, yes, and so... [2:07:32] you can find nice things with using ground penetrating radar. If you want to, [2:07:37] to perform a wide area. [2:07:40] rough, let's say, rough scanning, you can use my method. So you can find huge things on wide area. For the details... [2:07:54] It's okay, ground-penetrating radar. Is there anything else you want to show us that's in your presentation that you think? Show me some more stuff. Yes. It's a pleasure. Yeah, please. It's a pleasure for me, too. Thank you.

[2:08:05] Thank you for being here. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me. [2:08:09] Karakora. Is that how you say it? Karakora? Kora. Karakora. Karakora. So this is Karakora. So that image, go back one more time to Karakora. So that's a legitimate image. [2:08:20] That's not AI generated. No, no. This is these guys standing in... [2:08:25] clearly looks like megalithic stones stacked on top of each other. [2:08:30] Clearly man-made. Yes, clearly man-made because, look, you see the blocks. Yeah, you see the blocks. [2:08:36] It's fucking nuts. No, but... [2:08:38] Okay, we can understand that it's possible, maybe, it's possible to build something like that. Sure, it's possible. But the purpose. Right, the purpose and when and who and what civilization. Right, like who did that? [2:08:51] That is insane. [2:08:53] What even is that? [2:08:56] Yeah. [2:08:57] I mean, there's ropes that go across, and that's what you're seeing. [2:09:00] Where's his arm and where does the rope go to? Well, he's got his arm posted on the side of that wall, and that rope goes across, and you're just not seeing it because of the darkness. Is that like he's leaning against something there, too? [2:09:12] It looks like he's got his hand on that wall, that opening. There's an opening in that shaft. So what else is next in this? [2:09:19] In this presentation. Okay. Yeah. Which way should I go? [2:09:24] Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see. [2:09:27] Go back it up, then we have gubbio. [2:09:30] And here we have the Osiris shafts, which we use this shaft, the Osiris shaft, like a benchmark because we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft. Why the Osiris shaft? Because it's a benchmark that we know.

[2:09:48] It's established. It's established. [2:09:52] So it accurately depicts the Osiris Sheld. Yes, yes. [2:09:57] Thank you. [2:09:58] Okay, let's go there. Okay. 43. [2:10:06] Yes, this is the Sun Gotthard tunnel, and here I made an exploration using my technique in order to retrieve the shape of the railway tunnel, that it is approximately two kilometers below the mountain, and the slide 44... [2:10:31] we can understand that [2:10:34] In this case, the Alps, the mountain, resonates like a crystal. So you are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain. [2:10:44] It's like a photograph, a photo, picked up or synthesized by sound. And in that case, we can see the slide 45 and 46. We are detecting the tunnel. [2:11:04] The tunnel, yes, that's the railway tunnel. [2:11:08] that is located below the Earth. Wow! [2:11:12] So this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique. Ah, yes. [2:11:17] Yes.

[2:11:19] This is some really stunning stuff. Yes, I can explain you other experiments. We can go starting from slide 36. Okay, slide 36. This is a dam and it is a very important dam. It is the Mosul dam that is located in Iraq. [2:11:40] is very huge. It's 300 meters wide. [2:11:47] tall, has a height of 300 meters and 3 kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. So it contains a huge amount of water from the upper side. There is the water that contains and below there is the river that the water comes out from the reservoir that is on top. Why the Mosul Dam? The Mosul Dam has a problem. [2:12:17] It has been built on a bed of gesso, how you say? Gepsum. Gepsum, yes. And the gepsum is... [2:12:28] uh, [2:12:29] a while is in contact of water [2:12:33] It melts. [2:12:34] So the Mosul Dam is dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization. [2:12:41] In this case, there are a lot of, let's call it, satellite methods and synthetic virtual radar methods that are devoted to perform the so-called infrastructure monitoring. And in this case, the Mosul Dam is crucial to be observed by radar. In this case, I wanted to see the slide 37.

[2:13:07] Please. [2:13:09] Here. Inside the dam, look, there is a tunnel. [2:13:15] the red line. [2:13:17] The Tunnel. [2:13:17] And here we have people that are working inside the tunnel. And the task was my technique is perfect. [2:13:31] With my technique, it's possible to detect the tunnel. [2:13:34] We go in slide 38... [2:13:38] Okay, and we see on the right top, there is the tunnel. Just to explain to you, where you see red, the vibration energy is high. [2:13:48] so is red. When you see blue, the vibration has energy is low, [2:13:54] OK, it's low. And inside the tunnel, because you have the air, [2:13:59] You don't have vibration, so it's low. [2:14:02] And so you see the tunnel. [2:14:04] Mmm. Okay. [2:14:05] And so we were also able to detect, slide 39, also the principal facility that are located inside the dam, which are the turbines. [2:14:18] The turbines. The turbines. Right. And other stuff and all the mechanical machines. This is all the mechanical machines that are located inside. All right. So it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines as well. So this is just more proof that this technique works. Yes.

[2:14:38] And so we go slide 31. [2:14:41] On slide 31, okay. This is the Grand Sasso. [2:14:46] How nice is this? It's for me very nice because I born here. [2:14:50] This is the particle collider. Yeah. [2:14:53] Inside the mountain, in the core of the mountain, there is the... [2:14:57] the laboratory here, [2:14:58] And the task was, can I detect the facility that is inside the mountain? [2:15:09] And so we are now in the slide 32. [2:15:15] and 33 [2:15:17] Okay. [2:15:18] and we can see [2:15:20] ok, the facility [2:15:22] That is, ENFN is the Instituto Nazionale di Physica Nucleare. You see the shape of it in there. Yeah, National Institute of Nuclear Physics, the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics. And that's more than a kilometer deep into the mountain. 1.4. [2:15:40] And yes, and slide 35. [2:15:45] we can see the laboratory. Wow. Yeah, this is the laboratory. That's crazy. [2:15:53] That's crazy. [2:15:55] So using your techniques to get an accurate technique. [2:15:58] depiction of the dimensions [2:16:00] of this... [2:16:01] - Laboratory. - Yeah. - Wow. - And that triangle is called the interferometer. [2:16:08] So when you have two lasers that

[2:16:11] and it goes together and they [2:16:14] And you can study the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating. [2:16:22] you can use an interferometer and that's the interferometer. Wow. [2:16:29] This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing. And I feel like we're at the beginning of a very fascinating journey. Yeah. And I think that your work and this research and all the controversy is good. All the controversy around it is just going to make more people talk about it and more people discuss it and more people understand. And it just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up and that it is without a doubt one of the most astounding discoveries in human history. [2:16:57] Yes. So... [2:16:59] Thank you, Joel. Congratulations on discovering it, and thank you so much for all your hard work because, I mean, like I said, it's to me one of the most fascinating subjects. And what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia. Yes, and I agree with that. [2:17:17] And it's one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him. It's because he was right. [2:17:21] He was right in the 1990s, you know, and as time goes on, he is being proven more and more to be correct. And things just seem to keep getting older. Yes. [2:17:32] It's amazing. Thank you so much for being here. I really, really appreciate your time and I appreciate your work. Thank you for inviting me. My pleasure. Let's do it again when more stuff comes out. Okay. I'm here. If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they want to do a deep dive?

[2:17:51] Yes, I have a personal website, which is harmonicsar.com, and I publish the app. Say that again, harmonicsar.com, yes. Harmonicsar. It's meant, it's… Synthetic aperture radar is SAR. So harmonicsar.com. Yes. Filippo Biondi. I know. You're the man. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I really appreciate you being here. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody. [2:18:21] Thank you. [2:18:27] This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. [2:18:39] Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know. [2:18:53] I buy one, the Farmer's Dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick. It smells good to them. It smells good to me. It's human-grade food. The Farmer's Dog makes fresh food for dogs, and my dogs love it. Their recipes are made with real meat and fresh vegetables that are gently cooked to retain vital nutrients. They also portion out the meals to your dog's nutritional needs, which helps avoid overfeeding and makes weight management easier and isn't getting more time with our four legs.

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